🍄 a no frills name for a hippie kid

Girl Names
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i’ll try to keep this one short, dear berries, but quite honestly, we have a wind chill advisory, and i’m all kinds of bored! i figured there’s no better time to chat some names with you all 🫶🏼

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this seems to be my favorite style lately, as i can very much see my future daughter as a cool, laidback hippie chick. :nazar_amulet:

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i’m adoring hazel, fern, elowen, sylvie, marigold, and vada but would love some more (and maybe rarer) ideas! :herb:

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if it helps any, i do often prefer a very laidback pastoral or faithful cottagecore vibe, but i’d love to hear anything you think might fit. :sun_with_face:

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I’m thinking…

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[name_f]Mabel[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Indigo[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Tessie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f]Gwendolen/Gwen
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Meg[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Matilda[/name_f] “Tilda”
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Juno[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mavis[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Nellie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f]Sunny/Sunnie
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Holland[/name_f] “Holly”
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Jubilee[/name_f] “Billie”
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Penelope[/name_f] “Peppy”
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Frances[/name_f] “Fran”/ “France”
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ramona[/name_f] “Romie” / “Mona”
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Zelda[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Thea[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Miriam[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ruthie[/name_f]

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oh, i love juno. maybe even juniper, “juno” :herb:

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sunny, nellie, fran, ramona and ruthie are also beyond perfection! thank you 🫶🏼

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:sunflower:
Dawn
Shoshana
Rita
Wren
Lucy
Willow
Phoebe
Farrah
Dahlia
Opal
Althea
Zoe
Cassidy
Jade
Heather
Rosemary
Raina
Allegra
Dove
Vega
Haven
Meadow
Orly
Poppy
Zetta
Frida
Luli
Maya
Yara
Laurel
Calla

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[name_f]Wrenna[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Willow[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Olive[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Poppy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Sunday[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Tabitha[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ruby[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lula[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lilla[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]June[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Opal[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Wren[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Hadley[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Briar[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Bramble[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Jasper[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Gem[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Cassia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Calla[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Dove[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lilac[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]River[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Harbor[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lark[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maple[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Linnea[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Azalea[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Tansy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Josie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Eden[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lella[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Prim[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Fenna[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Fia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ida[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ada[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Sparrow[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Delta[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Sorrel[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Birdie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Una[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ember[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Cora[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Marlow[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Isley[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Cove[/name_m]

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I’m not super confident with these suggestions, but I gave it ago and perhaps something will stick! Best of luck. :slight_smile:

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Maybe …

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[name_f]Sparrow[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Boheme[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Eartha[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Dove[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lavender[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Prairie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Acacia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Fawn[/name_f] / [name_f]Fauna[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Merrily[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Meadow[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Valley[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f]Arnette
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Joy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Hosanna[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Zinnia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Winsome[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maple[/name_f] / Marple
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vita[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Saffron[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]November[/name_f] / [name_f]Noa[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Polly[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Opal[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Salome[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Olwen[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Hattie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Hester[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Helga[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Olga[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Keziah[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Jenny[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mabel[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Minnie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Josie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Belle[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Clover[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Nola[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]India[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Bluma[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Delphine[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lilou[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Odelia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mavis[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vega[/name_f]

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[name_f]Hope[/name_f] these were sort of what you’re looking for!

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[name_f]Alice[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mabel[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Josie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lola[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ruby[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Rhea[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Polly[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ivy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Callie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vida[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Laney[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Marnie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maisie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Willa[/name_f]

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luli and zetta are so cool :sparkles:

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i also adore wren, haven, opal, and frida :art:

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isn’t wrenna sweet! honestly, i think any name that contains adorable “wren” finds a place on my list eventually! :feather:

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sunday, june, hadley, lula, jasper, eden, ada, and marlow are also perfect!

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thank you, friend! :sparkles:

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i love prairie! it’s partly in the name of my business, however, so i’ve officially taken it off my list. :ear_of_rice:

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boheme, keziah, fawn, odelia, meadow, hosanna, winsome, zinnia, noa, hattie, mabel, and bluma are also perfect! :blossom:

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thank you, dear! 🫶🏼

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this is our angel baby’s name :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:[name_f][/name_f] i absolutely love that you think she could be a little hippie :white_heart:

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mabel and ivy are also so cute. this list is just the sweetest! thank you :bouquet:

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I love [name_f]Hazel[/name_f], [name_f]Sylvie[/name_f], and [name_f]Marigold[/name_f]!

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[name_f]Flora[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Wren[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lark[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Laurel[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Meadow[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Clover[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Iris[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ivy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Violet[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Olive[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Eloise[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Clementine[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Willow[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Magnolia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]June[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Daisy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Poppy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lavender[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Pearl[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Indigo[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Dahlia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Elodie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Cecily[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Faye[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Beatrix[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Margot[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Elsie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lyra[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Sage[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Seren[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Juniper[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Imogen[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Jovie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ivory[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vera[/name_f]

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[name_f]Mayfair[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Melody[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Calla[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Solstice[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Pansy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Arizona[/name_f] (Zoe)
[name_f][/name_f]Farron
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Pepper[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Solace[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Yarden[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Iverson[/name_m] (Ivy)
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Jocelyn[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f]Wilson-Maybelle (Willa-Mae)
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Honey[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vale[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Keelan[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f]Dizzy
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Brisa[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Lael[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Yara[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Esti[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Pamela[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Sonata[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Prairie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Sorrel[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ember[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Teal[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ludivine[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Dusty[/name_f]

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Maybe…

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[name_m]Frankie[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Fawn[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Sage[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Tansy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lark[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Dodie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vita[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Arden[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Briar[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Edie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maple[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Winry[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mabry[/name_f] / [name_f]Maebry[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Calla[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Meri[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Kestrel[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Sunny[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Hero[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Wrenna[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Nessa[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Marnie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Birdie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Saffron[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Sorrell[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Misty[/name_f]

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I don’t know about [name_f]Cressida[/name_f] being a no-frills name, probably not however you look at it, but [name_f]Cressida[/name_f] with nn Cress has a hippy vibe I think :green_heart:

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[name_f]Adele[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Bee[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Billie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Clementine[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Coco[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Daisy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Edith[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Gwenn[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Helene[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ivy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Jane[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Josie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Louise[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maggie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Magnolia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maple[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Molly[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Olive[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Piper[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]River[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Rose[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Roseanne[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Rosie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Violet[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Willa[/name_f]

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[name_f]Winnifred[/name_f] [name_f][/name_f]- “Winnie” it’s short and sweet

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[name_f]Briar[/name_f] [name_f][/name_f]- edgy, tomboy but also cutest

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[name_f]Meredith[/name_f] [name_f][/name_f]- Less common, has an effortlessly cool vibe to it

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[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] [name_f][/name_f]- “Lottie” is the cooler nickname for a [name_f]Charlotte[/name_f]

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[name_f]Olive[/name_f] [name_f][/name_f]- this fits your laidback, hippie vibe to a T.

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some nicknames that come to mind are:

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[name_f]Fran[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Pippa[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mitzi[/name_f]

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based on that I’d suggest:

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[name_f]Francesca[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Philippa[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Philomena[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Penelope[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Matilda[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f]Maria/Marie
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Romilly[/name_f]

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some other names…
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Amabel[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Diana[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Laila[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Leonore[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Poppy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Scarlett[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Zinnia[/name_f]

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names that make me think no frills hippie…
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Quinn[/name_f], [name_f]Juniper[/name_f], [name_f]Wren[/name_f], [name_m]Clove[/name_m], [name_f]Opal[/name_f], [name_f]Avis[/name_f], [name_f]Saffron[/name_f], [name_f]Serenity[/name_f], [name_f]Apricity[/name_f], [name_f]Rain[/name_f], [name_m]River[/name_m], [name_m]Ocean[/name_m], [name_f]Solene[/name_f], [name_f]Soleil[/name_f], Bluebird, [name_f]Sparrow[/name_f], [name_f]Sonnet[/name_f], [name_m]Fox[/name_m],

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names that fit with your list…
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lois[/name_f], [name_f]Heather[/name_f], [name_f]Margot[/name_f], [name_f]Doris[/name_f], [name_f]Vera[/name_f], [name_f]Hyacinth[/name_f], [name_f]Freesia[/name_f], [name_f]Fuchsia[/name_f], [name_f]Primrose[/name_f], [name_f]Rosemary[/name_f], [name_f]Bryony[/name_f], [name_f]Margaret[/name_f], [name_f]Iris[/name_f], [name_f]Ada[/name_f], [name_f]Adelaide[/name_f], [name_f]Lillian[/name_f], [name_f]Edith[/name_f], [name_f]Agatha[/name_f], [name_f]June[/name_f], [name_f]Elsie[/name_f], [name_f]Lena[/name_f], [name_f]Leda[/name_f], [name_f]Viola[/name_f], [name_f]Gwen[/name_f], [name_f]Lowenna[/name_f], [name_f]Elestren[/name_f], [name_f]Seren[/name_f], [name_f]Ffion[/name_f], [name_f]Willa[/name_f], [name_f]Marie[/name_f], [name_f]Lucienne[/name_f], [name_f]Vivienne[/name_f], [name_f]Evelyn[/name_f].

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Cottagecore…
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Hettie[/name_f], [name_f]Emma[/name_f], [name_f]Clementine[/name_f], [name_f]Connie[/name_f], [name_f]Bonnie[/name_f], [name_f]Bluebell[/name_f], [name_f]Wisteria[/name_f], [name_f]Magnolia[/name_f], [name_f]Bronte[/name_f], [name_f]Etta[/name_f], [name_f]Effie[/name_f], [name_f]Ginnie[/name_f], [name_f]Rose[/name_f], [name_f]Lilac[/name_f], [name_f]Clover[/name_f], [name_f]Eglantine[/name_f], [name_f]Briar[/name_f], [name_f]Alma[/name_f], [name_f]Elinor[/name_f], [name_f]Nella[/name_f], [name_f]Nora[/name_f], [name_f]Ginger[/name_f], [name_f]Meg[/name_f], [name_f]Esme[/name_f], [name_f]Loretta[/name_f], [name_f]Luella[/name_f]

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Always fun to discuss names!

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[name_m]Loving[/name_m] the names you’ve listed in particular [name_f]Marigold[/name_f], [name_f]Fern[/name_f] & [name_f]Sylvie[/name_f] :cherry_blossom:

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You’ve had lots of lovely suggestions so count any repeats as me being in agreement with the berries

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[name_f]Cleo[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Heidi[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Indigo[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maudie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Rowan[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Clara[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Juniper[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ivy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Magnolia[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Marnie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Alba[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Cora[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Lark[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Clover[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Fable[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Tilda[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Alida[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Adira[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Dusty[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Abilene[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vita[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Ruthie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Vera[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Elspeth[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Wrenna[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Indie[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Mara[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Eleni[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Leni[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Maren[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Romy[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Fifer[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Calla[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Winsome[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Eleri[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Opal[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Zelda[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Brontë[/name_f]

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[name_f]Hope[/name_f] this helps

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