are these awful??

I have a list of somewhat useable girls’ names and I would love your opinion on their usability and if you like or hate them. These are more “out there” and “foreign” compared to my favorite girl name, [name_f]Esther[/name_f], and one of my top boys’ names, [name_u]Sascha[/name_u].

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f]- (baht-sheer-ra) “daughter of song”
Liraz ([name_u]Lee[/name_u]-rahz) “my secret”
Yocheved (yo-HEV-ved ) “God’s glory”
[name_f]Batya[/name_f] (baht-yuh) “daughter of God”
Gefen (gef-fen) “vine”
Nili (nee-[name_u]LEE[/name_u]) “the eternity of [name_m]Israel[/name_m] will not lie”
[name_f]Pesha[/name_f] (pesh-shah) “Daughter of God”
Margalit (mar-gah-LEET) “pearl”
Rutti (roo-tee) “friend”
Liat (lee-AHT) “you are mine”
[name_f]Freyde[/name_f] (fray-duh) “joy”
[name_f]Frayda[/name_f] (fray-duh) “[name_f]Joy[/name_f]”

If you have any names you think I might like based off of these…comment below!!

[name_f]Pesha[/name_f], Margalit, and [name_f]Frayda[/name_f] all seem easily wearable to me. I like the sound of Yocheved but I don’t like the way it looks. The rest aren’t appealing to me.

All sound good on my end :slight_smile:

I’ve never heard [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] as a combo before. Did you make that up, or have you heard it used?

I think most are usable. I even really like Liraz, Nili, Margalit, and [name_f]Freyde[/name_f]/[name_f]Frayda[/name_f] (although I think [name_f]Freyda[/name_f] would be my favorite spelling).

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] doesn’t work for me. It sounds like the Batman equivalent of Spider-[name_f]Gwen[/name_f] (female version of Batman where they used her name instead of just saying [name_m]Bat[/name_m] Woman). I also don’t like “[name_m]Bat[/name_m]” being so prominently featured in the name, I think that would lead to teasing. [name_f]Batya[/name_f] is much nicer imo.

Rutti also doesn’t work. My immediate thought was “rutti tutti fresh and fruity”.

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] - Sorry, no, I don’t think this one is usable. My first thought was the phrase “bat sh1t crazy”. [name_f]Shira[/name_f] on its own would be really nice though!
Liraz - Not awful, but it doesn’t quite feel like a name to me.
Yocheved - It’s a mouthful and is bound to be mispronounced and misspelled constantly. I personally wouldn’t use it.
[name_f]Batya[/name_f] - It’s better than [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f], but I still can’t get behind it. “[name_m]Bat[/name_m]” just doesn’t make for a pleasant sound.
Gefen - nms, and this one comes across more masculine to me. It reminds me of the name [name_m]Geoff[/name_m].
Nili - This one is cute! Although I agree with the pp that it sounds more nick namey. If that doesn’t bother you, then I’d say this ones a winner!
[name_f]Pesha[/name_f] - nms but a beautiful name anyway.
Margalit - An interesting take on the Marg- names. It fits right in with [name_f]Marguerite[/name_f] and [name_f]Margaret[/name_f]. Definitely useable, and quite charming and classy sounding too!
Rutti - It’s cute, but another one that comes across kinda nick namey.
Liat - I like this one! Very similar to [name_f]Lia[/name_f]/[name_f]Lea[/name_f], so definitely useable. The T makes it a little harsh, but pairing it with a softer, more feminine name would work well!
[name_f]Freyde[/name_f]/[name_f]Frayda[/name_f] - My absolute favorite on your list! This is a GORGEOUS name!!! It reminds me of [name_f]Freya[/name_f], but is somehow even better.

I wouldn’t use them. I think the fact you had to put a little pronunciation guide for all the names is a bad sign. If you live in a place where these names are common, I’d say go for it. But if you don’t, I think a lot of people would pronounce them wrong. I just wouldn’t want to saddle my child with a name they had to correct everyone on. Some people are totally fine with that though, and sometimes kids are perfectly okay with it too, but I wouldn’t want to take the risk. But if you really love some of those names, then use it!

Of the names, I really like
Liraz
Gefen
[name_f]Pesha[/name_f]
Margalit
Liat
[name_f]Frayda[/name_f]

They’re nice :slight_smile:

I think all of the names sound really nice, but there are a few that do look a bit ‘out-there’ and ‘foreign’ due to unfamiliar letter combinations: [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f], Yocheved & Rutti. With the exception of perhaps these three, I think you could get away with the others if prepared to correct people from time to time (as is often times necessary with any name people are unfamiliar with).

My favourites from this list are Nili, [name_f]Pesha[/name_f], Margalit & [name_f]Freyde[/name_f].

I don’t think any of these names are awful, but they are very unfamiliar to most English speakers and if you live in a predominantly English-speaking environment there will likely be pronunciation issues. However, if these names are well-known and common in your community, then I don’t see a problem.

I really like Nili, Liat, Liraz and Margalit.

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] and Yocheved don’t seem very wearable to me in an English-speaking community, though I like [name_f]Shira[/name_f] on its own.

I presume there are some [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-Shiras in [name_m]Israel[/name_m]. I saw the combo on a website so I can’t be sure but I don’t know anyone with any of these names :joy:

Thank you for that perspective! [name_m]Bat[/name_m] is pronounced with a soft “a” so not like the actual word “bat.” I also think [name_f]Freyda[/name_f] is a gorgeous name :smiling_face:

Really?
I know people with most of these names! [name_m]Just[/name_m] not Gefen and [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f]. [name_f]Shira[/name_f] though is pretty, and very common in some circles.

Unfortunately, I still think it might be an issue unless you live in a community where everyone would know how to say it (or would know the meaning apart from just the word “bat”). I knew a girl named [name_f]Fatima[/name_f] who still got “fat” jokes even though it was more like “fah-tee-ma”, not “fat-ee-ma”.

Omg that’s awesome! Is it a Jewish area? I live in a place where every girl’s name is [name_f]Sophia[/name_f] or [name_f]Emma[/name_f] and every boy is [name_u]Aiden[/name_u] or [name_u]Alex[/name_u] ” and I do know a little baby [name_f]Shira[/name_f]!

I wouldn’t use these names, but I’m also not Jewish. I think these are usable because the pronunciations are fairly straightforward.

Liraz
Gefen
Nili
[name_f]Pesha[/name_f]
Margalit
Liat
[name_f]Frayda[/name_f]

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] - never heard this one before, I quite like it. Would you use a nickname?
Liraz - it sounds a bit harsh for my taste, but nothing wrong with it.
Yocheved - I [name_u]LOVE[/name_u] Yocheved, such a wonderful name. I wish it was used more often.
[name_f]Batya[/name_f] - not a fan, it reminds me too much of the word bat.
Gefen - I think this one sounds a bit masculine on a girl, but still nice.
Nili - too nickname-like for me, but perfectly usable.
[name_f]Pesha[/name_f] - I like [name_f]Pesha[/name_f], and a great meaning too.
Margalit - I like it, but I prefer Margalita. We considered Margalita for a daughter, since this name occurred in my SO’s family several times.
Rutti - I like this, better than [name_f]Ruth[/name_f]. Never heard it before.
Liat - this one is really nice, it sounds feminine but not frilly.
[name_f]Freyde[/name_f] - I love it, might use it as a middle name some day.
[name_f]Frayda[/name_f] - I strongly prefer [name_f]Freyde[/name_f], I pronounce this one quite differently and it’s further away from the original meaning.

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] - I think [name_f]Shira[/name_f] is much more wearable than [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f]. Also because accent plays a big part in how ‘[name_m]Bat[/name_m]’ is said. In my synagogue [name_m]Bat[/name_m] is pronounced like the animal/object, not Bahh-t. I do adore [name_f]Shira[/name_f] though.

Liraz - Liraz is lovely, and pretty cool. Personally I think I prefer it on a boy (same with names like Liron) but I think it is very wearable and non-Hebrew speakers/people unfamiliar with Hebrew names would be fine with it.

Yocheved - I love Yocheved, but I don’t think it’s wearable outside of Jewish communities. Better of as a Hebrew name for ceremonies than an everyday-wear name. I think the ‘Ch’ really makes it hard for people who aren’t used to that sound.

[name_f]Batya[/name_f] - nice, I’m not a huge fan of the name just in itself (I tend not to like B names), but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. I think you may run into people who say [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-ee-ah instead of [name_f]Batya[/name_f], but that wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Gefen - It’s ok. I like how it looks and sounds but to me it just links too heavily to be blessing over wine. It feels a little like naming a child ‘vineyard’ or ‘[name_f]Chardonnay[/name_f]’. However, outside of Jewish circles/in [name_m]Israel[/name_m] rather than in a religious space, it may be very wearable.

Nili - the meaning is a bit much for me, the name itself is fine though I agree with others that it might be better as a nickname. I do think it can stand alone, but I don’t really like it.

[name_f]Pesha[/name_f] - Completely wearable and unlikely to trip people up, I personally find it a little harsh and perhaps a little too close to [name_u]Kesha[/name_u]. But again, it’s a fine name that I think is very wearable.

Margalit - I love Margalit. A friend of mine very seriously considered because it also links to the word [name_f]Daisy[/name_f] which are her favourite flowers. I think Margalit has a lot going for it as it’s similar to [name_f]Margaret[/name_f]/[name_f]Margot[/name_f], although I think lots of people would say ‘[name_f]Mar[/name_f]-gah-lit (like hit)’ rather than [name_f]Mar[/name_f]-gah-leet. I think that’s probably a fairly easy thing to correct and I think it’s a lovely name.

Rutti - I know a Rutti who I am not particularly fond of, so it is colouring my appreciation of this name. It’s ok, other people have pointed out potential flaws, but it it is easy to read and pronounce. I prefer [name_f]Rut[/name_f]/[name_f]Ruth[/name_f].

Liat - Gorgeous name, easy to read and say. I knew a Liat a long time ago and I always loved her name.

[name_f]Freyde[/name_f]/[name_f]Frayda[/name_f] - I think it’s wearable, but I don’t really like it. It’s a weird cross over between [name_f]Freya[/name_f] and [name_f]Freida[/name_f] and my brain doesn’t enjoy reading it.

Liraz, Nili, [name_f]Pesha[/name_f], Margalit, Rutti, Liat, [name_f]Freyde[/name_f] and [name_f]Frayda[/name_f] all seem usable. I’m not a fan of a few of them but the usability is still there. I think the rest aren’t, unfortunately.

@maerad

Thank you so much! I’m jealous that you knew a Liat :smiley:

Yep, that’s my crowd! I know / have known girls with all (well, most) of these names and then some… I’m very familiar with most of the names you put out there in your posts :slight_smile:

Honestly, Liraz does sound more male to me, but like Gefen, the more masculine sound used as a feminine name is very popular in Israeli culture now.

[name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_f]Shira[/name_f] would throw everyone off though. If you love [name_m]Bat[/name_m], stick with [name_f]Batsheva[/name_f], [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-Tzion, or [name_m]Bat[/name_m]-[name_m]Chen[/name_m] (I wouldn’t use this where people won’t recognize it.) Or [name_f]Batya[/name_f], of course. I know many of those.

Yocheved is one of my favorite names ever, for the namesake.