Beyond the first name, reflecting both parents' heritage

This may be a sensitive topic. I want to begin by saying I am of the philosophy that every person should do what works for them in their lives. My current predicament in no way inclines me to look down on the decisions of others. My motto is pretty much: You do you.

Moving onto the issue…

I have been filled with regret and uneasiness about naming lately. I just got married to my long time partner in [name_f]April[/name_f]. I was not going to take his last name. We had long talks about it, and it was a really big deal to him that I didn’t want to. He felt really sad about it, which I found odd since we are typically non-traditional. After much discussion and soul searching, I decided that this was a battle I didn’t want to dig my heels in over. He seldom feels as strongly as he does about this, and he typically always defers to me. I wantd to be sensitive to his feelings, too. Now, I really regret it. If it were only ever going to be me and him, I’d go back to my maiden name and call it done. However, we are ttc.

I married my husband to create a family with him. For me, this family is comprised equally of both of our heritages. I also feel names are a really big tie to identity which is inherently tied to your heritage. Me taking his last name as the label of our family does not feel like it’s “us” so much as just “him”. But, I want all of us (me, him, and our kids) to have the same last name. For unity, logistic, and philosophical reasons.

So, I have no idea what to do. Whenever I lay this out, he never has much to say. I think he is pretty unwilling to change his last name which I find simultaneously baffling and infuriating. I don’t understand how he can have such a clear list of reasons why he doesn’t want to change his name, which mirrors most of my concerns, and then doesn’t get why this is a big deal for me.

My current solution is for us to have his last name and represent my family with middles. However, it still doesn’t feel right. Middle names are easily swept away, and it doesn’t make me feel better.

Hyphenating our kids names would turn into a bear, I’m afraid.
My last name is [name_m]German[/name_m], two syllables, and starts with W. Similarish to Worschel.
His last name is [name_m]French[/name_m], two syllables, and starts with an F. Very similar to [name_m]Fisher[/name_m].

To example kids names turn into a mouthful:
[name_f]Gemma[/name_f] [name_f]Marie[/name_f] Worschel-[name_m]Fisher[/name_m]
[name_m]Duncan[/name_m] [name_m]Normand[/name_m] Worschel-[name_m]Fisher[/name_m]

I’ve heard about logistical nightmares with hyphens. Also, what if they want to marry another hyphenated person?

I am not sure what to do here. Any advice, support, or comments you have are appreciated.

It does make life easier if everyone in the family has the same last name, and hyphenated last names can be a huge pain to deal with.

I do like the idea of using your last name in the middle spot for your children. I think it’s a great way to keep your name going and tie their name in with your heritage. I don’t think the middle name will be easily swept away especially if it’s really important to you and if you communicate the importance of the name to your children. Maybe you and your husband can both add your last name as a second middle to your current name so that you are all tied together with both his name and yours.

Thanks @squidly, the second middle name isn’t bad. I’m going to give that some serious thought. I appreciate it.

Honestly, have you considered mashing your last names? Would hubby budge at that? I think in these scenarios it would be good for that kind of compromise to happen. That way everyone is half you and him, everyone is equal.
That sucks though, what I predicament. I honestly would not be happy being left unhappy. If he is willing to ‘fight’ for his and let you lose then you should honestly be doing the same until some compromise happens.

I let out such a big sigh upon reading this - I apologize in advance for such a long post! So many feelings attached to this topic!

I too am a newlywed (we just celebrated our one year anniversary), and I was worried sick and shed many tears about this leading up to my decision about what to do - and to be honest, it still bothers me a little bit, and ultimately I ended up with something I could live with - but we are nowhere near at the point where we’re ready to have kids, so I honestly haven’t put much thought into that part yet for myself. I can’t torture myself over it yet because I truly don’t know how I’ll feel five or ten years from now, you know? It could be so very different from how I feel right now.

My situation was/is very similar to yours: I didn’t want to change my name, we had endless discussions about it, he supported me and never told me I had to change it, but at the same time it was important to him that I did, and I didn’t want to hurt him or have him feel that his feelings were being ignored (especially because it is rare for him have strong feelings on things like this). It was hurtful (and is still hurtful) that he wouldn’t even consider changing his (hyphenating, mish-mashing, selecting a new one together, anything) and couldn’t seem to understand how upsetting it is that women are expected to change their names, but for so many men, it’s just not something they’ve ever had to think about or even would consider saying yes if they are ever asked about it.

Anyway, to make a long story short - in thinking that I do want to have the same last name as the members of my future family (and knowing that if we change our minds, we can always all hyphenate or all change it together) - I took his last name legally and moved my last name to a second middle name. However, I don’t always use his last name. At the job I was at when I got married, my legal name in the HR records and system changed, but most people didn’t know that - I continued to use the same maiden name, same signature, same email, etc., and I never ran into any problems with that. About six months later I went to a new job, and now I use a double barrel last name (non-hyphenated) at work, and will continue to do that for as long as I want to - I might do it forever, I might not. For right now, I don’t mind using my first and his last socially, but using the double barrel is also pretty fluid. They’re as interchangeable as I want them to be, and no one is too bothered by that, as long as they know that I don’t care if they use the double barrel or just the last. I feel that to some degree, names can be fluid (like nicknames, for example) as long as you are following the law. As long as you’re following the law, you have every right to use your name as it’s important to you in that moment. My maiden name hasn’t just fallen out of my life, because I won’t allow it to. It’s up to me to decide to what degree it stays with me, in what situations, etc. [name_f]Do[/name_f] I sometimes forget which name I used for which store account or whatever? Sure, sometimes, but it’s not that big of a deal to me - it’s worth that second account look-up to me to keep my maiden name in my life. If I wanted to I could get more organized and carry a list with me in my phone anyway :). If I continue to want to use my name this way, I can always only use my legal last name in situations related to my kids, and that way there won’t be any confusion.

If you feel like you keeping and using your maiden last name (whether you decide to change it back, add it as a second middle, use a double barrel or hyphenated version, whatever) will fulfill your needs enough to not necessarily need that name to be part of your childrens’ names, then I think that is the easiest solution - although easiest doesn’t mean it’s the solution you feel the best about.

If you do still have that need, you have a few options, which you’ve already outlined/have already been suggested. [name_f]Do[/name_f] you love any of them? Sounds like the answer is no, but here’s where my tough love comes in - too bad. You just have to decide which factors are ultimately the most important to you in making your decision, because people go round and round and round about this, and I don’t know anyone who’s come up with a perfect compromise. You changing your name didn’t feel like a compromise to you, it felt like a sacrifice, and the same goes for me, although I’ve found a way to make it feel a bit better to me. Unfortunately, this is the patriarchal society we live in, and you can either do something about it in terms of fighting the system, or you can find some way to go along with it that you hate less than the other options (but don’t expect to love it or even like it). Personally, I feel that I am meant to be a part of a different (but no more or less important) front in the battle against the patriarch, and therefore I just can’t spend my time and energy in fighting the name battle (because it IS a lifelong battle), but I am so, so incredibly appreciative of those that are, and I hope that one day my daughters and granddaughters benefit from their efforts on that front as well as the efforts I’m putting in on my own battles in other areas.

So - that’s my advice. Decide what you hate the least and go with it.

I notice that your post title talks about reflecting both sets of parents’ heritages, so if that’s your main concern, there are tons of ways to do that (like just looking into traditional [name_m]German[/name_m] and [name_m]French[/name_m] names) - but based on the content of your post, I think that title was a bit misleading :).

Wishing you the best of luck. It honestly it such a frustrating and touch predicament.

Thanks everyone for the responses so far. I guess a better title might have been lineage.

I’ve done a bit of thinking, and here is what I have to add.

I agree nothing will be my magical unicorn universe, and that I have to work within the parameters of reality.

The things that are most important to me are:

  1. Our family has the same name
  2. My children are not unduly put out by a personal issue I have
    3.The last thing I care about most surprised me. It is that we are both making the effort to blend together in the same way we make all of our other efforts.

At first I thought very much that my feelings were tied to a sense of personal identity. But, really, everyone knows me as [name_f]Jenn[/name_f] or [name_f]Jenny[/name_f]. The biggest part of how I see myself is with my first name. Sure my family and I make jokes about being a “Worschel” and what that means, but I still have that blood in my veins.

What was sort of hidden away in those initial feelings was the fact that I changed myself, my name, legally and in the minds of others to signify my new family created with my husband, but, he didn’t. He is still the same exact person legally, logistically, name-ly, etc. I am not trying to say that at the same time I changed my name I was forced to undergo some kind of personality overhaul, I am still me. It strikes me though, what if we eloped in the night? No one would know about his change in status, but mine was out for everyone. I suppose you could argue his wedding ring is a pretty large giveaway, but I think you get what I am going for here. This also isn’t about doing things for the show of others either, it is deeply personal. I fear I am not making much sense.

My name, my label of sense of self and identity, changed overnight. I lost my maiden name, but gained a husband. He just gained a wife. I am not coming from a sense of petty tit-for-tat fairness. It just seems to me, that I want both of us to feel like we have a blended identity. In a relationship where everything is about partnership and sharing in life’s burdens together as a team, why do we only label ourselves with his half? It feels counter to every other part of my relationship with him for me to just take on “[name_m]Fisher[/name_m]”, drop “Worschel”, and have him continue on status quo.

He treats me like a queen, really, and I want to be sure I haven’t given off an unduly negative impression of him. Sometimes though, he is clueless, and he just doesn’t understand why I feel this way. He does care that it has me so upset though.

We had a small amount of time to discuss, and I brought up adding a second middle name for both of us and using my maiden name as a middle name for our kids. He was on board with the kid idea right away. His one concern was that in the event we have more than one, their initials will be extremely similar if we only use one middle. A concern which I am sure can be addressed, especially since having two middles can sometimes present its own issues. We have to weigh pros and cons.

He wasn’t sold on the idea that we should both change our names to:
[name_f]Jennifer[/name_f] [name_u]Lee[/name_u] “Worschel” “[name_m]Fisher[/name_m]” and [name_m]Joshua[/name_m] [name_m]Paul[/name_m] “Worschel” “[name_m]Fisher[/name_m]”.

He looked at laws, and for most things, your second middle name is rather insignificant legally where we live. He said feel free to refer to him with my maiden name included all I want, he was fine with it, but that since he never uses any sort of middle name unless absolutely required it will not change much for him or be very impactful. He therefore concluded changing it legally is a waste of time and money. He is open to more discussion about it, that was just his first response.

Something feels infinitely better by having it official. When I say that to him though, I almost feel childish, but I can’t shake it. I often said marriage is just a piece of paper, our relationship is what matters. So, why does this piece of paper bother me so much?

I really like whiteandginger’s ability to be more fluid with her name. [name_m]Even[/name_m] if my husband doesn’t really use my maiden name much, I think it would make me happier if I could. I really appreciate the heartfelt posts in response. This is a mess to sort out in my head.