Can't commit on Logan for some reason

So we have a son. [name]Wolfgang[/name] [name]Orion[/name], and we are expecting [name]March[/name] 3 (OMG SO SOON)

We had kind of settled on [name]Logan[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Elm[/name] for our lil grrl. I like a stronger girl name but am also drawn to longer fem names.

I am thinking maybe [name]Logan[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name] [name]Elm[/name], since my son calls her butterfly I woudl like to incorporate it and hate [name]Mariposa[/name]. [name]River[/name] has some meaning to me though.

We also have some other names:

[name]Daphne[/name]
[name]Scarlette[/name] (love charlotte but too many charlottes)
[name]Azure[/name] (I like the sound of [name]Azure[/name] [name]Elm[/name])
[name]River[/name]
[name]Luna[/name] (can’t sell DH on this)
[name]Willow[/name] (too many willows I think)
[name]Aurora[/name]

A few others but I am dieing here. She is gonna be here so soon. I have total brain freeze on picking a name for her. Everyone loves [name]Wolfgang[/name] and if they don’t well they don’t ever say anything now that he is a person. Plus it carried so much meaning for us. He was born in [name]January[/name] and that has the [name]Wolf[/name] moon. I am from german descent, my husband native american (ie [name]Wolf[/name]) and his middle name is for my husbands father, the first constellation he ever showed my DH. I cannot find the meaning for her.

Help :frowning: :confused:

I don’t know if you’re looking for help on the middle names or on the whole name…so here goes :slight_smile:

I personally think that [name]Wolfgang[/name] and [name]Logan[/name] jar. [name]Wolfgang[/name] [name]Orion[/name] is eclectic, but meaningful; unusual, but approachable with its nn. [name]Even[/name] though [name]Logan[/name] doesn’t hold a high rank for girls (the only one I “know” is Logainne from Broadway’s [name]Putnam[/name] County Spelling [name]Bee[/name], the sweet, awkward child with two gay parents who wins!), the name is ranked at #17 among boys. She’ll probably have other Logans in her classes, which (even if they’re boys) means she’ll be [name]Logan[/name] E. or Girl [name]Logan[/name]. To me, the name has an All-American, popular vibe which pulls it further from [name]Wolfgang[/name]'s feel.

I think [name]Azure[/name], [name]Daphne[/name], and [name]Aurora[/name] are incredible with [name]Wolfgang[/name]. I think [name]Azure[/name] is particularly great because there are several species of butterflies called Azures: [name]Summer[/name] [name]Azure[/name], [name]Spring[/name] [name]Azure[/name], Small [name]Azure[/name]. If you wanted to take it in that longer, more feminine direction, you might try [name]Azura[/name]. [name]Daphne[/name] makes me smile; it complements [name]Wolfgang[/name]'s heavy sound with something airy and light. [name]Aurora[/name] is gorgeous; it has the nature imagery of the [name]Aurora[/name] Borealis and light, but it has a heavier sound to go with [name]Wolfgang[/name]. Icing on the cake? [name]Rory[/name] is a great, masculine nickname. Here are some more suggestions, though.

For a stronger, unisex name, I’d turn to: [name]Bronte[/name], [name]Titian[/name] or [name]Hopper[/name], [name]Brooks[/name] (works “river” in), [name]August[/name], [name]Timber[/name], [name]Sage[/name], [name]Pax[/name]/[name]Paxton[/name], [name]Indigo[/name], [name]Gray[/name], [name]Arlo[/name], [name]Archer[/name] (isn’t [name]Orion[/name] an archer, too?), [name]Schuyler[/name]/[name]Skylar[/name], [name]North[/name], [name]Rigby[/name] or [name]Sloane[/name].

For a longer, more feminine name: [name]Althea[/name], [name]Marcella[/name], [name]Roxana[/name], [name]Rowena[/name], [name]Calliope[/name], [name]Willa[/name] (instead of [name]Willow[/name]), [name]Rosamund[/name] (got your [name]German[/name] descent), [name]Adelaide[/name], [name]Penelope[/name].

For middles, I think [name]Butterfly[/name] lacks the subtly and beauty of [name]Orion[/name] (plus two words in one name is a lot if you plan to use [name]Elm[/name]). If [name]Mariposa[/name] doesn’t do it for you, here are more names incorporating that meaning: [name]Nova[/name] (Hopi: “chases butterflies”), Kimama ([name]Shoshone[/name]), Aponi (not sure which Native American tribe this originates from), Papillion (French), Euthalia (a genus of butterflies), Atala (a species), and Mazarine (for the species Mazarine [name]Blue[/name]).

I also think it would be really cute to connect your children with constellation/star names. What about using [name]Electra[/name] (in the Perseides), [name]Estelle[/name]/[name]Estella[/name] (“star”), [name]Seren[/name] (“star”), [name]Nova[/name] (a kind of star AND it has the butterfly meaning!), [name]Halley[/name] (the comet), [name]Lyra[/name] (constellation), [name]Columba[/name], [name]Andromeda[/name], [name]Thalassa[/name] (a star), [name]Ariel[/name] (a moon), [name]Phoebe[/name] (a moon)…There are tons more.

So I think [name]Wolfgang[/name] [name]Orion[/name] would be great with…
[name]Azure[/name] [name]Daphne[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Azure[/name] [name]Nova[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Azura[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Phoebe[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Electra[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Lyra[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] Euthalia [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Aurora[/name] Marazine [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Aurora[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Estelle[/name]
[name]Bronte[/name] [name]Columba[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Rosamund[/name] Aponi [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Schuyler[/name] [name]Nova[/name] [name]Elm[/name]

and so forth. I hope this gives you some more ideas. If you want to stick with [name]Logan[/name], maybe [name]Logan[/name] Aponi/Euthalia/Mazarine [name]Elm[/name] would do the trick.

Best of luck. Sorry for the novel…

I think the problem is that [name]Wolfgang[/name] [name]Orion[/name] is very masculine, and so is [name]Logan[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Elm[/name]. If I saw these two names together I’d think they were brothers. [name]Wolfgang[/name] and [name]Logan[/name] also have two completely different feels. [name]Wolfgang[/name] is very unusual and, may I say, bad ass, whereas [name]Logan[/name] is common and sounds like the All-American boy.

ellenelle gave lots of great suggestions. I’d also like to add [name]Maren[/name], [name]Mariska[/name], [name]Saskia[/name], [name]Edith[/name], [name]Corinne[/name], [name]Imogen[/name], [name]Rhiannon[/name], and [name]Tamsin[/name]. [name]Just[/name] a few strong female names off the top of my head. [name]Rhiannon[/name] has the bonus of the [name]Fleetwood[/name] [name]Mac[/name] song, which I love. I’d keep [name]River[/name] in the middle because it’s such a cool name.

[name]Wolfgang[/name] and [name]Aurora[/name] are awesome together. Personally I find [name]Aurora[/name] hard to say though. From your list I also like [name]Wolfgang[/name] and [name]Daphne[/name] and [name]Wolfgang[/name] and [name]Azure[/name].

I don’t think I can improve on Ellenelle’s response and agirlinred made some excellent additions. I prefer [name]Daphne[/name] or [name]Aurora[/name] to [name]Azure[/name] and [name]Aurora[/name] would be my number one pick: I think it has the same dramatic feel as [name]Wolfgang[/name], which makes it a match. I definitely think you should go unusual, feminine, quirky, but traditionally-rooted, and so a few other ideas:

[name]Celestia[/name]
[name]Octavia[/name]
[name]Cosima[/name]
[name]Jocasta[/name]
[name]Ambrosia[/name]
[name]Andromeda[/name]
[name]Persephone[/name]
[name]Lavender[/name]
[name]Olympia[/name]
[name]Elettra[/name]
[name]Leonora[/name]
[name]Marguerite[/name]
[name]Tatiana[/name]

[name]Logan[/name] is a definite boys name to me. Paired with the middle names you suggested, it definitly sounds like a boy.
If meaning is important to you in a name, then def incorporate butterfly somehow, that would be so nice for your son to help name her!
Maybe [name]Scarlet[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name]?

I would not do [name]Logan[/name] for a girl. It is number 17 for a boys name right now!!. I have heard of classes with 3 boys named [name]Logan[/name] in them, not to mention the number in the school. You daughter would alwasy be mistaken for a boy when her name is read. A lot of the ohter name choices you have are absolutely beautiful! I love that you plan to do something more fun, differnet and unique for a middle name. I think that is the perfect thing to do for middle names.

[name]Daphne[/name] - love this, it should be used more
[name]Scarlette[/name] (love charlotte but too many charlottes)
[name]Azure[/name] (I like the sound of [name]Azure[/name] [name]Elm[/name]) - not a fan for a first name
[name]River[/name] - love this for a middle name, ok for a first name
[name]Luna[/name] (can’t sell DH on this) - its ok
[name]Willow[/name] (too many willows I think) - its ok
[name]Aurora[/name] - love this

I like [name]Daphne[/name] best from you list.

I agree with pretty much everything ellenelle said. [name]Logan[/name] is a boy’s name, so there will be more Logans and 99% of the time they will be boys. I don’t get the appeal of [name]Logan[/name] on a girl.

Anyways, I love your other names so much more! My favorite would be [name]Daphne[/name]. It’s pretty and feminine, and also uncommon.

I agree with the above-- [name]Wolfgang[/name] needs to have a sister with a similarly unique name. I prefer [name]Daphne[/name] and [name]Aurora[/name] out of the ones you listed. In keeping with the sky/heavens and nature/river/tree themes, here are a few suggestions:

[name]Aurora[/name] [name]Celestine[/name] [name]Blue[/name]
[name]Aurora[/name] [name]Tamara[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Aurora[/name] [name]Cassia[/name] [name]Skye[/name]
[name]Aurora[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Maia[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Rhea[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Willow[/name] [name]Ash[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Lucina[/name] [name]Skye[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Sarita[/name] [name]Olive[/name]

Okay so thank you so much for the input, keep it coming. We are at the end of our travel and need a great partner to [name]Wolfgang[/name].

[name]ELM[/name] is a tree but also a grouping of female family members.
[name]Emma[/name] - GM
[name]Lillian[/name] - GM
[name]Melinda[/name]- GGM

So I wrote out a few . Still wold love to incorporate [name]Butterfly[/name] more.

[name]Azure[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Scarlet[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Logan[/name] [name]Aurora[/name] [name]Elm[/name]
[name]Daphne[/name] [name]Luna[/name] [name]Elm[/name]

[name]Calliope[/name] was on our list too how funny it was mentioned. We like [name]Poppy[/name] as a nickname.
[name]Magnolia[/name] was also tossed around with [name]Lia[/name] as a nickname. I think it is nice with [name]Magnolia[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name] [name]Elm[/name] for some reason.

Your input is awesome please continue!!!

Loganne I have seen with girls

[name]Elora[/name]
[name]Eliora[/name]
Bjork(birch tree)
[name]Wynter[/name]
Wynna
[name]Azura[/name]

I still think that using two word names in a row looks odd, like you’re describing a specific type of elm (the one at the river, the one where all the butterflies hang out). I love the name [name]Magnolia[/name], but it adds another tree to the bunch. [name]Magnolia[/name] [name]River[/name] [name]Elm[/name] sounds like you couldn’t pick which natural feature you liked best. I love the use of [name]Elm[/name] to incorporate your family’s names, so I’d keep that one. Between [name]River[/name] and [name]Butterfly[/name], I guess I like [name]River[/name] better. [name]IMO[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name] sounds like a name a four-year-old gives to her [name]Barbie[/name]; it also makes me think of Madame [name]Butterfly[/name], who meets a very sad, upsetting end. To incorporate [name]Butterfly[/name], I would still opt for a name with that meaning or connection to butterflies, like [name]Nova[/name] or Mazarine. Have you heard the Irish myth of Étaín? She is a princess that an Irish warrior falls in love with. Unfortunately, he’s already married and his jealous wife turns Etain into a butterfly. There’s a long string of adventures in which she gets reborn a thousand years later and eventually she and her hero are reunited and turn into swans or something. Etain has also been spelled [name]Edain[/name], [name]Aideen[/name], [name]Aedin[/name], and Adaon, and I think any of those would be a great nod to “[name]Butterfly[/name].” Plus the part when she turns into a swan makes for a subtle connection to the constellation Cygnus.

Of the four names you wrote out, I like [name]Daphne[/name] [name]Luna[/name] [name]Elm[/name] best hands-down and [name]Logan[/name] [name]Aurora[/name] [name]Elm[/name] the least (I think think all-star [name]Logan[/name] doesn’t fit with eclectic [name]Wolfgang[/name]). I would recommend [name]Azure[/name] [name]Calliope[/name] [name]Elm[/name] (love!), [name]Scarlet[/name] [name]Nova[/name] [name]Elm[/name] (I still think [name]Nova[/name] hits all the bases as a star and butterfly name), [name]Daphne[/name] Etain [name]Elm[/name], or [name]Daphne[/name] [name]Aideen[/name] [name]Elm[/name]. If you really want to use [name]Butterfly[/name], then I would recommend against using it with a color name like [name]Scarlet[/name]. “[name]Scarlet[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name] [name]Elm[/name]” makes me envision a tree covered in red butterflies. [name]Aurora[/name] [name]Butterfly[/name] [name]Elm[/name] is better.

Have you considered fitting the letters “[name]ELM[/name]” into another name? [name]Elma[/name], [name]Selma[/name], [name]Thelma[/name], [name]Wilhelmina[/name] ([name]Winnie[/name]), [name]Elmira[/name] or [name]Elmire[/name], [name]Delma[/name], [name]Velma[/name], etc? Or maybe you could unite all the names together? [name]Lily[/name] [name]Emmaline[/name]? [name]Just[/name] some more ideas…

Instead of “[name]Butterfly[/name]” how about…

Lepidoptera - Latin order name for [name]Butterfly[/name], at a whopping 6 syllables use with a shorter first

[name]Luna[/name] - could refer to the [name]Moon[/name] or to the [name]Luna[/name] Moth which is commonly perceived as a butterfly and in the Southern U.S. can emerge as early as [name]March[/name]. Luna moth - Wikipedia

Monarch, Swallowtail, Lacewing, [name]Page[/name], [name]Jezebel[/name], [name]Pierrot[/name], [name]Blue[/name], [name]Plum[/name], [name]Judy[/name], [name]Skipper[/name], Zabulon, Mallow are names/parts of names of butterfly varieties. Additionally here is a list of [name]North[/name] American butterflies which might be appropriate for the Native American ancestry: List of butterflies of North America - Wikipedia

The name [name]Vanessa[/name] has some interesting history and is also the name of a butterfly variety. Meaning, origin and history of the name Vanessa - Behind the Name

Other girls names meaning butterfly include (trying to avoid repeats)
Chou/Cho (Japanese)
Parvaneh (Persian)
Parwana (central [name]Asian[/name]
Kelebek (Turkish)
Flutura (Albanian)
Chouko (butterfly child in Japanese)
[name]Yara[/name] (Arabic)
Kallima (English)
[name]Yaritza[/name] (Portugese)
Eilier (Welsh)
Caparina (Spanish)
[name]Papillon[/name] (French)
Farfalla (Italian)
[name]Henley[/name] (this says it means "social butterfly)Henley - Meaning of Henley, What does Henley mean?
Nabi (Korean)
[name]Nova[/name] (dual meaning: English new; Hopi tribe chasing a butterfly)
Kimimela ([name]Sioux[/name] tribe)
Kimama ([name]Shoshone[/name] tribe)
[name]Kimana[/name] ([name]Shoshone[/name] tribe)
Memengwa (Ojibwa tribe)

[name]Hope[/name] this helps give you some ideas.

Saracita, I think you need to write a guest blog on butterfly names! That was fascinating!

Wow, what a compliment! Thank you.

I really love [name]Nova[/name]. I had never heard it until our friends in Seattle named their lil grrl that. She is a fierce mix of Chinese and American. Her parents are cool and the name is awesome.Sadly Our son says that is nova’s name LOL

Monarch is cool too but husband says it is a boys name. I guess as far as manly butterfly’s go that is the manliest :wink:

DS is set on [name]Butterfly[/name] if we use it. we have convinced him that it can be her super secret name he gets to call her only.

The Dutch word for butterfly is Vlinder, to me it has a really unique and lovely sound.

Here are some native american names (sorry I didn’t know which tribe)
APONI: butterfly <-I think this is really pretty pronounced APP-oh-nee
KIMIMELA: Sioux name meaning “butterfly.
NOVA: Hopi name meaning chases butterfly.”