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[name_f]Pretty[/name_f] sure thereā€™s an entire separate thread for it :skull:

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Iā€™m annoyed that on the Names We Missed Thread people suggest words that they think could maybe work as names but havenā€™t actually been used as such on any actual people yet.

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This is a hotter version of the same take but Iā€™m also annoyed by asks to include a newly coined name after a singular use. Iā€™m aware that there are many established names that donā€™t make the extended list (5+ uses a year in the US) every year. But I feel like a name should make that at least once or have at least minimal use in another language/culture or historically to be included on this siteā€™s list.

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I agree a name canā€™t be owned but neither of these ideas are about ownership.

ā€œAdopt a comboā€ is for when you lose interest in a combo but not enough to delete it completely. Someone else cherishing it serves as a middle ground between considering it for your child and not thinking about it at all - itā€™s like knowing the combo is off to a good home.

ā€œIs this anyoneā€™s comboā€ might be about ownership, but to me it reads more as being unsure whether one came up with it on their own or just read it somewhere, half forgot about it and now thinks they came up with it on their own. Itā€™s not about the original creator not wanting someone else to use it, but about the asker wanting to know if theyā€™ve been unintentionally uncreative.

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@kmdharrington Ohmigosh, Beatristan is so so cute?! I actually really like it :pleading_face:

@leafygreens Yes, someone mentioned [name_m]Viator[/name_m]! And even though I know I specifically asked for a masculine version, [name_f]Viatrix[/name_f] is really growing on me haha. Thank you!

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Agree! Though it certainly might depend on how long and unique the combination is. A member recently welcomed the adorable [name_u]Light[/name_u] [name_f]Alifair[/name_f] [name_u]Loveday[/name_u], where each individual name is uncommon enough on its own. Iā€™d find it hard to believe all three would be paired by chance again, though itā€™s certainly a beautiful name.

All of my top name options (ranging from common to debatably unusable) DEFINITELY have and will belong to other children though lol. [name_f]My[/name_f] name certainly was uncommon when I was born ( [name_u]River[/name_u] [name_u]Rain[/name_u] ) but Iā€™m far from the only one! And the internet wasnā€™t around for options to be ā€œstolenā€ at that time.

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Beatristan is actually so adorable!! It reminds me of Barristan, a name I love a lot.

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I agree with this. The chance of anyone using the same comboā€™s I used for my children is pretty slim, I know, but if it happened I wouldnā€™t be offended. I do feel a little protective over their names because they all hold personal significance for me, but that doesnā€™t mean someone else canā€™t use them for the same or a completely different reason.

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I donā€™t even know if this is a Hot Take, just something I wanted to get out there.

Using names from other cultures that you donā€™t have any relations to. Maybe, your grandparent or spouse, even your spouseā€™s grandparent belonged to that culture, then I suppose itā€™s okay to use names of that particular culture.

This has been a really controversial topic on NB since long. [name_f]My[/name_f] opinion would be too long to write, and I have to get back to things so at the moment I will opt to be neutral. What exactly is cultural appropriation when it comes to names? I really want to know where the Berries draw the line. Is using a Hawaiian name or [name_f]Indian[/name_f] name offensive when you donā€™t belong to that culture? I would love everyone elseā€™s opinions on this.

Note: I donā€™t want to hurt anyoneā€™s sentiments. If my words came across as potentially upsetting, Iā€™d like to make it known that this was definitely not my intention and that my apologies are present in such a case. Thank you.

Itā€™s a complicated question. I must be a bad person, but I donā€™t see it as much of a problem. Personally, it doesnā€™t bother me in any way when someone uses the name [name_u]Sasha[/name_u], even though it clearly doesnā€™t belong to English-speaking culture. The exception is names from a foreign religion, which can be taken the wrong way.

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Maybe youā€™d be interested in this topic:

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Definitely a complicated question.
One thing Iā€™m sure of is that it would have to be decided case-to-case. [name_m]General[/name_m] rules like ā€œyou need at least x% blood heritage to use a cultureā€™s namesā€ arenā€™t useful for a number of reasons: Itā€™s possible to have 100% blood heritage and still no connection to the culture. [name_u]Or[/name_u] to fully live in that culture with 0% heritage. Many names have traveled the world and were already firmly rooted in several cultures before this question first arose. Others have independently been coined by several cultures. Others again are so associated with one that they almost feel synonymous to that culture/create a strong mental image of it. Some have traditions like only being used for babies born on specific days, symbolize something important (like that cultureā€™s independence), or were not originally given names at all. And so on. There are just so many things that might influence the usability of a foreign name that itā€™s impossible to make rules that fit all names, all cultures, or all situations.

What I think works best is to consider the reasons instead. Why do I want to use this name, why do some say I shouldnā€™t, why do others say I should? [name_f]Do[/name_f] these reasons make sense to me? There is no right and wrong here either. All we can do is to listen to different arguments and decide if we agree with them, just like, Iā€™m afraid, with most things in life.

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Challenging topic on cultural appropriation of names. For me, if I saw someone name their child Hokulani for example and they had never been to or have no connection to Hawaii/Polynesia it would seem odd to me. There are certain cultural naming practices that happen in many cultures and when an unconnected person is not acknowledging that in their naming thatā€™s when itā€™s problematic for me.

I try to give the benefit of the doubt. While I would love to do a deep dive into someoneā€™s naming practices, its simply just not feasible. I think people should be more aware of names for this reason.

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With the adopting combos thread, when it was first opened I took it more as ā€œhere are some combos that I came up with and really like, still theyā€™re not quite it for me but they might be for youā€ rather than asking people if you may adopt a combo.
As far as combos go, I think youā€™ve got to reach a point where you love the names so much that you donā€™t really care if someone else uses them as well as I find that assures that you actually love the combo rather than any ā€œpraiseā€ that you might get for it. Still, we all like a bit of attention and Iā€™d be slightly bummed if somebody Iā€™m aware of used the exact same combo as I did (especially as theyā€™re at least three-name combos); however, thatā€™s a me-problem not a them-problem and Iā€™d never make somebody feel bad about it :sunny:

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For cultural appropriation of names, I think it depends on the name. [name_m]Antonio[/name] is a family name for my familyā€¦who I am not genetically related to. This may change my level of connection to the culture in a way ā€” but another poster made a good point about people not always looking like you expect a member of a certain culture to look.

While [name_m]Antonio[/name] is definitely common in the culture it has so many different roots and the meaning isnā€™t so important that I think any of my (many) cousin or tio [name_m]Tonito[/name]ā€™s would be phased. This holds less true for other cultures, where naming is very culturally relevant and bordering on (or actually literally is) sacred. In those cases I wouldnā€™t use the name because they hold a level of importance I canā€™t understand.

A different take: the older I get, the more I realize the popularity of a name shouldnā€™t ruin it, at least not for me. You can pick whatever name you want, but you canā€™t predict itā€™s popularity over the course of your childā€™s life, so what should be more important is that you love it and itā€™s wearable. This seems especially relevant now that the older parts of Gen Z are starting families. The more of us that choose names we donā€™t think are ā€˜commonā€™, the more common that name gets! [name_u]River[/name] is currently more popular than [name_m]Jonathan[/name] and so on. This doesnā€™t lower the value of either name to me.

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This may be a spicy take but to me cultural appropriation would be if someone is using names from other cultures as a way to make money, e.g. through books and websites, without contributing anything back to the original culture where those names came from. Similar to [name_f]Isabel[/name_f] Marant and other fashion designers stealing indigenous designs and charging thousands of dollars from them. E.g. someone who is not Native Hawaiian and is completely unaffiliated with Hawaiian culture publishing a book or website about Hawaiian names for profit. Thatā€™s cultural theft. If thereā€™s no money changing hands, then I donā€™t really see how itā€™s harmful - or at least not as harmful as when thereā€™s a financial incentive. A white American parent using [name_f]Leilani[/name_f], while some people probably disagree with it, isnā€™t making money from that name.

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I think month/season names should all be considered gender-neutral like nature names. I get thatā€™s not culturally how theyā€™re perceived right now but itā€™s wild to me to genuinely think of the month of [name_u]June[/name_u] or the month of august and go ā€œthatā€™s a boy monthā€ or ā€œthatā€™s a girl monthā€ like itā€™s all just time? I think a big component of this for me is this general idea with ā€œgender-neutralā€ names where a lot of it is just putting a masculine name on a girl and it never going in the opposite direction. Like I would LOVE to meet a guy named [name_f]Summer[/name_f] or [name_u]Winter[/name_u] or [name_u]June[/name_u].

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agree! august (g) is one of my most favorite names!

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it seems you arenā€™t the only one, at least on nameberry! i am honestly feeling like a bit of an old lady for still loving august for a boy :sweat_smile:

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i love august on a boy as well! thereā€™s no need to feel like an old lady; we all have different styles!

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