I need an excuse to not use this name

ok so this is a long story. but my cousin had a baby girl a few months ago, my niece, [name_f]Tish[/name_f]. my grandma was counting on her being named after my great-grandmother, [name_u]June[/name_u], but spoiler alert, she wasn’t.

I’m nowhere near ready to have kids, but because I’m the name nerd I’m constantly talking about names to my grandmother. she wants me to name my first daughter after my great-grandmother. but the thing is, I hate my great-grandmother. she attempted to murder my mother and called her a “stupid foreigner” many times.

and she knows full well that I’m going to name my first daughter after my best friend who died suddenly a few months ago, but she keeps saying [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] [name_u]June[/name_u] would be adorable, while I do think it’s a cute name, I will not name my kid after someone who attempted to murder my mother.

I’m not ready to tell my grandmother this, I’d be disowned for bad mouthing my great-grandmother and telling the truth, so someone please give me an excuse to not use the name, I need it ASAP because it’s getting serious.

I’m one of two granddaughters so unless my cousin has another daughter and names her after my great-grandmother, it will disapoint my grandmother if I don’t name my first born daughter after my great-grandmother

Personally, if you’re not any where near having kids, I would just let it lie and I wouldn’t talk names with grandma any more.

I would never say you should name your baby something you don’t love, especially after someone you don’t love, but the situation might be entirely different when you are ready to have children.

And it sounds like there might need to be conversations had in your family if the allegations are that serious. But I don’t think they would be about names.

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everything I have heard is from my mom, everyone else is saying it was my moms fault. and I can’t really help but talk about names with my grandma, I practically live with her and she genuinely gives good name Ideas, but I just need to get it into her head that I won’t name my daughter after my great-grandmother.

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If I were in this position, I’d quit talking about names with my grandmother, I think. But also, if you’re nowhere near having children, hopefully it’s not too serious.

Also—as far as reasons not to use a name go—the reason that “I don’t want to name my child that” is a very valid, very truthful, and very good one.

It’ll be your child, and you’ll be able to name her, should you ever have a daughter one day far down the line! I wouldn’t sweat it too much, now. I can read that the pressure feels a bit much for the time; it won’t always, truly.

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Families are so complicated!

Firstly completely understand why you do not want to use [name_u]June[/name_u] I’m so sorry to hear what your mother went through that’s so horrific. Also I think the fact that your Grandma is forgetting what this relative did is just not the best.

If it was me I would just say I’m not using that name that’s a valid reason and should be respected. Ultimately it’s your child so you use whatever name you want. However as you’re not planning on having children anytime soon I would just not discuss names with your Grandma. Essentially I agree with everything @snowmaiden said such wise words!

Finally just to add I’m sorry to hear about the loss of your friend 🩷

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thank you. and as I said before, I basically live with my grandmother (that’s a whole different story) and if I didn’t talk to my grandma about names and then I would basically have no one and that would drive me insane, she also has good name ideas most of the time, it’s really just that one name that she keeps on insisting on.

Ahhh okay then I would just say Grandma I love you but I just canny get my head around [name_u]June[/name_u] so I won’t be using it can you think of any other names. That’s polite, fair and keeps the conversation you love flowing. [name_f]My[/name_f] mum wanted me to use [name_f]Barbora[/name_f] as it’s a family name I loved discussing names with her so just said mum that’s not happening as I don’t like the name and we moved on

I did tell her earlier that i would consider using [name_u]Juniper[/name_u] but I told her that I wouldn’t make any promises.

Great compromise! But honestly I wouldn’t use any ‘June’ name if you feel any kind of way about it :white_heart:

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“No.”

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I can relate this to how a couple might discuss baby names. Names we like and dislike are very personal and reflect so many of our values and identities. If you carelessly shoot down a name your partner suggestions it can sometimes feel to them like a personal insult or rejection. So I can understand you seeking gentle ways to let your grandmother know [name_u]June[/name_u] isn’t top of your baby names list.

Personally makes me think of doom, sand dunes, junior. I would not commit to any name and to try to prevent it seeming like I would definitely use it, I would bring up lots of factors that make you doubt it as a good option. Like ok you will keep it in mind but it isn’t quite perfect for me because of this or that unchangeable reason you cant get past.
It sounds like to preserve the relationship the real reason isn’t one you want to bring up with her. I think even if it was an honour name you did intend to use, there would still be situations that could make it unusable.

Sure you would ‘love’ to use [name_u]June[/name_u] but your grandmother would understand your future partner has a say in the name also so if you eventually can’t get them to agree your grandmother would have to understand right?( I mean your cousin didnt use june despite expectations. In fact it sounds like your grandmother didn’t use it when she had her chance to name her own children!)

Some names you might not be able to get past because of a bad association? Perhaps you would ‘love’ to use [name_u]June[/name_u] but it is your partners ex girlfriends name or a bad boss or unsavory character from a show? And this association has spoilt it regardless that it is an important family honour and you just cant get past it.( Makes you think of the handmaid tale or mama june?)

Perhaps for you children are a while away so you get a cat or dog you name [name_u]Juniper[/name_u] and later find you now just cannot use [name_u]June[/name_u] for your baby. [name_u]Or[/name_u] a ‘friend’ who desperately wants to reserve it and you are now hesitant about having it too committed to your list when rhey are likely to have children first.

Perhaps you begin to feel Month names like [name_f]May[/name_f], [name_u]June[/name_u], [name_f]April[/name_f] and [name_u]August[/name_u] are cheesey? [name_u]Or[/name_u] only acceptable if baby arrives in that month?Or you want to use may and if you have a may/mae and a june it would be too silly?

I understand it would be an honour name but if it isn’t your style perhaps that is a reason to let her know you’re hesitant? like you might prefer something more frilly or unconventional or irish for example? Perhaps it sounds too old lady to you and you find it hard to shake that image? [name_u]Or[/name_u] you have a pattern or theme going with the middle names and it doesn’t fit with your other sibling options? Your last name or your partner might have a one syllable surname which makes the flow terrible with one syllable june?

[name_u]Or[/name_u] you have other honour names that trump your great grandma? So you have your friend’s name, but what about wanting to use your grandmothers name(or mothers or your middle name or your partners family or the city you honeymooned or your favourite food) instead? Sorry grandma, maybe june might not get used unless you have 7 daughters and use up ALL your other favourites first? Sooo many favourite names that you don’t want to decide just yet

[name_u]Or[/name_u] you could talk about your worry if you start using honour names that it sets precedence, lots of people might have an expectation of being honoured also or hurt that they were not honoured or feel favouritism is being given. Maybe you want to avoid all together?

Perhaps she would understand if you instead used jane, jean, jade, joan, [name_u]Juniper[/name_u], jude, luna and you pretend it is loosely honouring? Could be bad as a first name to be always asked if you were born in june?

And really, you could even plan to name your baby [name_u]June[/name_u] and she could be born and you look at her and she just doesn’t LOOK like a june!

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my great-grandmother is the only bad association I have with the name, I did tell her out right that i don’t like the name and she’s now pulling the “but it’s your great-grandmother’s name” card. the reason i told her I would consider [name_u]Juniper[/name_u] was because I was recovering from a wasp sting and i just wanted her to shut up.

I would normally say to not discuss names with her, but you said that you don’t feel that a great solution for you right now so other ideas are:

  1. [name_m]Say[/name_m] that you wouldn’t want to use an honor name for the middle with [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] because you think it’s important that she has at least one name that is entirely her own
    (and stop discussing any [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] combos that include honor middles with your grandma)

  2. [name_m]Say[/name_m] that you’d need to wait to decide on any family honors because that’s something you’d have to decide together with your future spouse (and stop discussing any combos that include family honors with your grandma)

  3. [name_m]Say[/name_m] that you just don’t like month/day names (and stop discussing any month/day name combos with your grandma)

  4. Come up with some other reason that you just don’t like [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] [name_u]June[/name_u], i.e. you don’t like it with a one-syllable middle (and stop discussing those kinds of combos with your grandma)

  5. Come up with another [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] combo that sorta kinda references [name_u]June[/name_u] that appeases your grandma for now, regardless of whether you’d actually use it in the future (Caitlyn [name_u]Juniper[/name_u], [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] [name_u]Jade[/name_u], etc. And then stop discussing [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] combos with your grandma)

  6. Come up with another name combo that does include [name_u]June[/name_u], [name_u]Juniper[/name_u], etc to appease your grandma for now, regardless of whether you’d actually use it in the future. Then whenever she suggests [name_f]Caitlyn[/name_f] [name_u]June[/name_u] say something like “I don’t think I’d use that but if I had multiple daughters I might use [name_f]Zara[/name_f] Juniper”. (always keeping it a maybe and then stop discussing any other [name_u]June[/name_u] or june-adjacent combos with your grandma. Redirect back to that one “possibility” whenever she insists on June.)

  7. Start to focus your name discussions on boys names for a while, and if she starts going back to [name_u]June[/name_u] then just redirect back to boys names.

[name_f]Hope[/name_f] these ideas help❤️

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I don’t think any of those solutions would work sadly, I think I’ve gotten her to shut up about the name june for awhile so I think I’m good.

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It just makes you think of the handmaids tale and maybe that’s not an association you want for your child?

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I don’t really know what the handmaids tale is,

Its a dystopian book by [name_f]Margaret[/name_f] [name_u]Atwood[/name_u] and tv series about a hypothetical world where the USA becomes a dictatorship ‘the republic of gilead’ it was her response to people looking at things like Nazi [name_u]Germany[/name_u] and judging it saying ‘that would never happen here’…she explores an imaginary situation to show how that could easily happen just in a different way. [name_u]June[/name_u] is the main character of the book/series…I shall now include spoilers…

[name_u]June[/name_u] like many fertile women in gilead is forced to become a concubine ‘handmaid’ to a leading officer of gilead…she is forced to perform ‘the ritual’ with the leading officer and his wife once a month in an effort to provide them with a child…so its a story of rape, political violence, child abduction, torture, maltreatment, discrimination, injustice etc. although [name_u]June[/name_u] is a courageous character/hero…it could be argued that an association of [name_u]June[/name_u] with such a horrendous dystopian society and story would not be one you would want to place on a child

OH OH OH… yeah, don’t want my future kid to be associated with that, it does sound like kind of an interesting show…