Leaning towards Fiona, but need help !

Our second daughter is due in three weeks. Oldest is named [name_f]Penelope[/name_f] [name_f]Jane[/name_f] (last name starts with B, and is one syllable). We generally call her [name_u]Penny[/name_u]. Naming the second has been so hard!!

For a while we were thinking of [name_f]Josephine[/name_f], but I think the length is a little much with sibling [name_f]Penelope[/name_f], and I also don’t really like any of the nicknames ([name_u]Josie[/name_u] sounds a little inelegant to my ear, and [name_u]Jo[/name_u], [name_u]Joey[/name_u] are a little masculine).

Enter [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]. I have loved the name since I read The [name_m]Thorn[/name_m] Birds as a teenager. Initially my husband wasn’t interested, but it’s grown on him and now he likes it a lot. I do, too, but there are still those who can’t get past the reference to the children’s movie (which I will not name :)), but I don’t have that association. To me, it sounds beautiful, classic, and unusual but not weird, with the bonus that there are no spelling or pronunciation variations to deal with. I think I’d use [name_u]Fee[/name_u] as a nickname here and there, but generally would probably just use the name in full–not everything needs a nickname :slight_smile: !!!

The harder part is that my husband’s mother passed away a couple of years ago, and he wants to use her name as a middle. It’s [name_f]Maureen[/name_f]. Yikes. And her middle name was [name_f]Mildred[/name_f], so that’s not a better option. When we were thinking [name_f]Josephine[/name_f], we compromised and were going to adapt middle name to [name_f]Mary[/name_f], because [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] is the Irish version of [name_f]Mary[/name_f]; I thought it was close enough to be an homage. Now, with [name_f]Fiona[/name_f], we’re back to [name_f]Maureen[/name_f], I guess. On one hand, I think it’s just a middle name, people don’t use them that much, but on the other hand, it’s going to be her NAME for the rest of her life and I don’t want to saddle her with something that to me sounds terribly unattractive.

So I guess I’m looking for advice on two fronts–what do people think of [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]? And what should I do about the middle name issue. Is it terrible of me to hard veto [name_f]Maureen[/name_f], even though it would be meaningful to my husband? Is there another option that incorporates it somehow, but sounds better?

Thanks in advance for any help!!!

First of all, I think [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] works great with sister [name_f]Penelope[/name_f], and, if you don’t like [name_u]Josie[/name_u]/[name_u]Jo[/name_u]/[name_u]Joey[/name_u], there’s always [name_f]Effie[/name_f], Sephie, [name_u]Fee[/name_u], etc.

As for [name_f]Fiona[/name_f], I quite like it but DH scratched it off our list because he can only see [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] from Shrek or the hot mess that is [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] from Shameless. I actually think [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] sounds quite nice despite my general dislike of [name_f]Maureen[/name_f]. When it comes to middles I’m more likely to use a name I don’t love, but wouldn’t use a name if I truly disliked it.

I know two little Fionas and I quite like the name! I agree you don’t need a nickname, but ‘[name_u]Fee[/name_u]’ would be an easy and cute short form to call her. I also agree that [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] isn’t the best name. I understand not wanting to use an actual name due to it being unattractive - my grandma’s name is [name_f]Norma[/name_f]. I think [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] is way better than that! But if you can’t stomach [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f], I would think any variant of [name_f]Mary[/name_f] would sufficiently pay homage to your husband’s mother. What about [name_f]May[/name_f]? [name_f]Penelope[/name_f] [name_f]Jane[/name_f] and [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]May[/name_f] :slight_smile:

[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] has become a moderately popular name, so I don’t think the Shrek thing will be an issue.
I actually think [name_f]Maurine[/name_f] as a middle name is pretty, particularly paired with [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]. At first, I was wondering why you wouldn’t like [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] because it sounds so pretty and Celtic, but when I was looking at the name listing on it’s own, I realized, oh wait, this is [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] we’re talking about. It takes on a very different feel as [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f]. It also might end up being one of the trendy names as she’s growing up. I mean, when I was born, [name_f]Eleanor[/name_f] was an old lady name.

Alternatively, you could use [name_f]Maren[/name_f], which is close to [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] and can have or not have the [name_f]Mary[/name_f] connection depending on which country of origin you look at.

Perhaps spell it Máirín, which is the original Irish spelling. I think it’s more attractive

[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] Máirín

The “-een” ending is funny in tat if it’s spelt “een” for some reason it’s less attractive that a similar or equivalent name ending in “ine”

For some reason

[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Miriam[/name_f]?
[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Mairead[/name_f]?

I don’t see a problem with [name_f]Penelope[/name_f] and [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] as sisters – and if you like [name_u]Fee[/name_u], that works just as well as a nn for [name_f]Josephine[/name_f]! Also consider [name_f]Fia[/name_f], [name_f]Fina[/name_f], [name_f]Fifi[/name_f], and above suggestions of Sephy and [name_f]Effie[/name_f] too. Unsolicited on the advice front, but you can have it for free anyway. :smiley:

[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] is a beautiful old Irish name, but some people really cannot get past the animation that is not to be mentioned. My husband has hard vetoed [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] several times because he’s one of these people. Unfortunately, this just a thing you will have to accept as the existing, inescapable cultural baggage that comes with the name, and decide whether that puts you off. The Unmentioned Title is not going anywhere, especially as there is now a Broadway musical version which won quite a few awards, ensuring its reappearance in high school productions down the road. There are certainly worse associations people could have for a name.

As for the middle name, I feel your pain. My husband absolutely insisted we use his dad’s name, without variation. This happens to be a name that makes me cringe, made worse by the number of men I’ve known who also had this name and were terrible people. The compromise we finally came to (with our THIRD [name_m]SON[/name_m]) was to use two middle names, both of them family honor names, so that I didn’t have to use THAT NAME as my poor boy’s only middle name option, and so my husband didn’t feel like I was just “burying” his dad’s name. The kid ended up with a big name - [name_m]Peregrine[/name_m] [name_m]Wesley[/name_m] [name_m]Donald[/name_m] - but it is what it is. Nobody has died over his 9-total-syllables name, and if you decided to go that route, nobody would perish over a [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Louise[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f], either. And I have some kids with two middles and some with just one. I haven’t heard any complaints. Each name is special in its own way with its own story and/or meaning, and they seem to accept and recognize that.

I love [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]. I actually know two [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]'s (one being 9, the other a baby) and from what I’ve seen, neither have gotten much trouble about the Shrek connection.

As far as the middle name, my first thought was using [name_f]Maura[/name_f]. Such a pretty name and connected enough to [name_f]Maureen[/name_f]. [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maura[/name_f] isn’t the best flow though. I don’t think [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] is awful but it’s tough when you don’t actually have love for it. I think [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Mary[/name_f] is nice too though.

Completely forgot about the Shrek association. I think [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] is a really lovely name! I know two, both of them are 13. I also love [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] and don’t find it too long with sibling [name_f]Penelope[/name_f], personally. There are a lot of other nickname options than the ones you listed such as [name_f]Sophie[/name_f], [name_f]Fia[/name_f], [name_f]Fifi[/name_f], [name_f]Effie[/name_f], Phina/[name_f]Fina[/name_f], Sephie, etc. [name_f]Fifi[/name_f], [name_f]Fia[/name_f], and [name_f]Fina[/name_f] can also be used as nicknames for [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]. Maybe [name_f]Maren[/name_f]/[name_f]Marin[/name_f] as an alternative for [name_f]Maureen[/name_f]?

[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] sounds very Celtic and lovely. I like it. And as others have pointed out, [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] could well move from dated to old lady to cool again within another decade or so. [name_m]Even[/name_m] if not, a lot of people will accurately guess it’s a family name. So either way, a good deal.

[name_f]Josephine[/name_f] is beautiful with [name_f]Penelope[/name_f].

I love the nn [name_u]Jojo[/name_u].

Fwiw I have middle names for my children that I don’t particularly like. But if it’s to honour someone then I don’t mind. People never use middle names anyway so I don’t think it really matters.

I say go with the first name that you prefer and then don’t worry about the middle name.

I love [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]! I think [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] and [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] are both beautiful with [name_f]Penelope[/name_f]. I like [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] as well.

I love [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f]. I actually like [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] and I think it has a good middle name sound with the accent on the second syllable. I don’t think it sounds too dated since it has some history, better than others I’ve seen who are stuck with honor names like [name_f]Linda[/name_f] and [name_f]Donna[/name_f]. I love the suggestion of using the Irish spelling to make it a bit more hip. I don’t think [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] is too tied to Shrek. I actually was thinking “you mean The [name_f]Secret[/name_f] of [name_u]Roan[/name_u] Inish?” Also agree that [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] is great but would probably get shortened to something less great.

I love [name_f]Fiona[/name_f]. The animation movie reference doesn’t bother me at all -and [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] there isn’t a bad character at all anyway. [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] sounds quite lovely, I think. It’s good to stick with [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Mary[/name_f] too though, if you’re still not sure.

[name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] has a sweet and bouncy retro Celtic feel. I think [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Mary[/name_f] would be just as lovely, but if you want to keep closer to [name_f]Maureen[/name_f] you could go with Máire or Máirín. [name_f]Mary[/name_f] has dozens of variants, so anything from [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Molly[/name_f] to [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Marinka[/name_f] could be seen as a nod to [name_f]Maureen[/name_f].

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and advice. After some more thought, we are actually back in the [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] camp. Probably [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] [name_f]Mary[/name_f]. I think I will always love [name_f]Fiona[/name_f], but [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] is great, too, and I guess I feel like [name_f]Josephine[/name_f] is a name she may like more herself going through life.

But [name_f]Fiona[/name_f] [name_f]Maurine[/name_f] would have been lovely! Who knows, maybe we’ll see her and the decision will make itself.

[name_f]Josephine[/name_f] [name_f]Mary[/name_f] is perfect and I love the nns [name_f]Effie[/name_f] and [name_f]Posy[/name_f].