Name regret - possible change, help!

I posted on here a few times in the lead up to having my son. I really wanted the name Leo but my husband wouldn’t go for it and we settled on Raphael. Brother name is Max.

Sadly, I was happy for about two weeks and have since felt serious regret. It doesn’t feel right, it feels a bit foreign and unusual in Australia (people call him ‘baby’ or avoid the full name), and I just don’t feel good about it. Really can’t let go of how perfect I felt Leo was and am very down about it.

My husband is reluctant to change it but will given my distress. However I really struggled to find anything I liked more than Leo and it is definitely off the cards. Nico is an easy solution because it’s his middle name but I’m not sure that’s a strong enough adult name.

My options are keep Raphael, change to Nico, or pick a completely new name.

We like names that work in Europe and Australia.

Would love to hear thoughts / suggestions of new names

I’m in Australia. I have met a little [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] but he went by [name_f]Rafa[/name_f]. I think it’s a fine name and wouldn’t go through a change. If you want another name, [name_m]Nico[/name_m] is a good choice, too. I don’t think [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] is too unusual for Australians though, as there is a growing population of people from Central/South [name_f]America[/name_f] and Spain/Portugal. It also appears to be common in [name_m]Germany[/name_m], Switzerland, etc.

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Firstly congratulations on your second son :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Name regret is really common. Firstly naming is really challenging and it’s hard when you have your heart set on x but you cannot use this name so end up with a name that is different from what you desired so can feel out of place. Furthermore, your body has just gone through this major event it’s in overdrive and add the surge of hormones that you experience it’s common to experience anxiety which commonly shows up as name regret. These feelings combined is really overwhelming and I’m sorry you’re in this spot. I went through the same experience when naming my daughter. The name regret was awful and hard to comprehend especially as her name felt very out of place in my conservative town. People reacted to her name like it was strange and too foreign or whatever. Her name was continuously butchered or looked at bizarrely people avoider saying it I felt like I made a huge mistake. I realised it wasn’t my actual emotions towards the name that was the issue it was peoples reactions so I just adopted a more universal nickname and it’s all fine. I love her name and I’m glad I stuck with [name_f]Lilia[/name_f]. This conclusion was aided by a pros and cons list surrounding the name along with berries solid advise. I’m so glad I saw the light as my daughter is definitely a [name_f]Lilia[/name_f]!

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[name_m]Raphael[/name_m] is handsome, universal, romantic choice, has a lovely meaning and I think is very wearable. I absolutely love the nickname [name_m]Raffy[/name_m] which adds a cheeky chappy flair. Honestly yes [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] isn’t necessarily mainstream but he isn’t ’weird’ and I’m from the UK I’ve met a few Raphael’s never thought the name felt out of place. I think people (from my experience) are just so unnecessary when they meet children who have names that fall out the usual western remit off [name_m]Oliver[/name_m] + [name_f]Olivia[/name_f]. I would create a pros and cons list surrounding [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] to really establish your emotions surrounding the name trying not to focus on the reactions of others. It’s amazing how much others cloud our positivity/viewpoint and dampen our spirits. People’s reactions to Lilia’s name really affected me.

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Still if you decide that [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] isn’t the one you’ve got plenty of time to change his name. Babies do not begin to recognise their name till they are 6 months old so you’ve got in my opinion that long to figure it out. I think [name_m]Nico[/name_m] could be a good alternative he definitely works as a name in his own right matching the short boyish flair of M@x. [name_m]Nico[/name_m] feels fashionable, has a lovely meaning and shares the ‘O’ ending that [name_m]Leo[/name_m] has so you clearly love this sound. Some other O ending names that you may like could be [name_m]Theo[/name_m], [name_m]Milo[/name_m], [name_m]Enzo[/name_m], [name_m]Arlo[/name_m], [name_m]Elio[/name_m], [name_m]Hugo[/name_m] & [name_m]Otto[/name_m].

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[name_f]Hope[/name_f] these ramblings help you :two_hearts:

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Have you considered [name_f]Rafa[/name_f], or do you only like [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] in full? I feel like it has a cool, laid-back nicknamey vibe that works well with [name_m]Max[/name_m] and would be approachable to Australians despite being unique!

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As for [name_m]Nico[/name_m], I know multiple adult ones of various nationalities who all wore it very well. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work on an adult! It’s a handsome name and lovely with [name_m]Max[/name_m].

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Maybe [name_m]Ben[/name_m], [name_m]Benji[/name_m], [name_m]Luca[/name_m], [name_m]Enzo[/name_m], [name_m]Finn[/name_m], [name_f]Oli[/name_f], [name_m]Roman[/name_m], [name_m]Oscar[/name_m] / [name_m]Oskar[/name_m], [name_m]Leon[/name_m], [name_m]Percy[/name_m], [name_m]Louis[/name_m], Sasha/ [name_m]Sascha[/name_m], [name_m]Elio[/name_m], [name_m]Elias[/name_m], [name_m]Tobias[/name_m], [name_m]Kit[/name_m], [name_m]Lucian[/name_m], [name_m]Otto[/name_m], [name_m]Cal[/name_m], [name_m]Jonas[/name_m], [name_m]Theo[/name_m], [name_m]Kilian[/name_m], [name_m]Bram[/name_m], [name_m]Sam[/name_m], [name_m]Bastian[/name_m]

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That said, I’d maybe wait a bit longer before I commit to a name change! Maybe [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] just needs time to grow on you. And it could be that others aren’t using it because the baby’s still new, or because it’s a bit of a long name for a cute little baby – you could try [name_m]Raffy[/name_m], Raph or [name_f]Rafa[/name_f] for when he’s young?

I’m sorry you’re really struggling with this. I remember your earlier posts. It would be so hard to let go of [name_m]Leo[/name_m]. It was the right choice in every way except one [name_f][/name_f]- it’s unfortunate your husband doesn’t feel the same way about it. But you couldn’t choose it for an important reason and chose a great alternative. I think any name that is not [name_m]Leo[/name_m] is going to feel lacking in comparison.

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However, your feelings will very likely improve with time. You haven’t had long to adjust. You probably had [name_m]Leo[/name_m] on your mind for the length of your pregnancy or longer still if you had it on your list before that. So allow yourself to feel down about it while knowing that he already has a solid name that was lovingly and thoughtfully chosen and will serve him well.

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I had mixed feelings about the middle name we chose for our son for some time after his birth. I thought about it on and off during those early months. I returned to the options on our list and came up with a few new ideas [name_f][/name_f]- although my husband didn’t like those. Ultimately, I didn’t have a clear alternative and the unsettled feelings and rumination faded away by the time he was about 12 months old.

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A few more thoughts [name_f][/name_f]- it is normal feel doubt, anxiety or disappointment after making a big decision. It’s normal to focus on negatives over positives. It can be difficult switching from the critic’s mindset to accepting the decision as done.

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Your disappointment and post partum changes more generally might also be colouring how you think others perceive the name. Many people call babies ‘baby’ because they’re so small and sweet and behave quite differently at a young age [name_f][/name_f]- plenty of people feel that babies don’t readily fit ‘adult’ sounding names until they’re a bit older. This is definitely short term. All the people who’ve been surprised by the name will either be surprised but think nothing more on it, or they’ll come to love it. I’m confident you’ll get some compliments at some point from people who share your taste.

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Also, if it helps, you could prepare a sentence in your mind to respond with any time someone actually does say it’s unusual or foreign.

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Name regret is often more about the circumstances surrounding the naming decision than the name itself. You did a great job under difficult circumstances. I don’t suggest starting over. You’ve already looked at hundreds of names. I suggest committing to [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] while continuing to work through your feelings – talking with someone who can really listen and support you, journaling, giving yourself grace, and prioritising more self-care.

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[name_f]My[/name_f] last thought is to look up other people called [name_m]Raphael[/name_m], especially Australians, to recognise it’s great qualities and versatility. There might be some inspiring bearers of the name or great characters from film or fiction too.

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I hope you feel at peace with your decision soon.

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Congratulations on baby number 2 [name_f][/name_f]!
[name_f][/name_f]I personally really like [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] [name_f][/name_f]- and I think there is some cool nicknames a baby can lean into [name_f][/name_f]- [name_m]Rafe[/name_m], Reel, [name_f]Rae[/name_f] [name_f][/name_f], [name_f]Fee[/name_f]

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But name regret is no joke and post partum period in our lives is sooooo hard.

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I think [name_m]Nico[/name_m] is a cute name if you want to change it and I think it works with [name_m]Max[/name_m] [name_f][/name_f]!

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Some thoughts:

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    I remember [name_m]Leo[/name_m] was your preference, so while ‘keep [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] and see how it goes’ might work for others, I’m not sure that’s quite right here [name_f][/name_f]- especially if people are avoiding saying his name

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    I think [name_m]Nico[/name_m] works as an adult name [name_f][/name_f]- I’ve met an adult [name_m]Nico[/name_m] who wore it well! Adult-wearability concerns aside, do you like it? [name_m]Can[/name_m] you imagine calling him [name_m]Nico[/name_m] every day? Does it feel better than calling him [name_m]Raphael[/name_m]?

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    it might be better to start afresh, now that you’ve met baby. Were there any other names on your [name_f][/name_f] list that you can imagine calling him?

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Some suggestions:

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[name_m]Kai[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Milo[/name_m] / [name_m]Miles[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Oscar[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Theo[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Finn[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Elias[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Levi[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Isaac[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_f]Rio[/name_f]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Louis[/name_m] / [name_m]Louie[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Toby[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Owen[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Evan[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Caleb[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Felix[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Elio[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Gabriel[/name_m] (similar to [name_m]Raphael[/name_m], but maybe more familiar?)
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Ruben[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Casper[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Beckett[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Tristan[/name_m]

Firstly, congratulations on your baby boy! :two_hearts:

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I think the best course of action here is to either go with [name_m]Nico[/name_m], or start fresh now that you’ve met your baby to try and find something that fits him better.
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Nico[/name_m] is a fabulous alternative for y’all – handsome & down-to-earth with a chic sound. Not only does he have that strong -o ending just like [name_m]Leo[/name_m], but he is also an easily accessible name for all ages (I’ve met an adult [name_m]Nico[/name_m] and he wore the name so well!).
[name_f][/name_f]Maybe start by calling him [name_m]Nico[/name_m] for now, since it’s his middle name, and see how it feels? If that doesn’t work out, you can always go back to the drawing board.

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A few alternatives to [name_m]Leo[/name_m] – [name_m]Milo[/name_m], [name_m]Theo[/name_m], [name_m]Otto[/name_m], [name_m]Enzo[/name_m], [name_m]Elio[/name_m], [name_m]Leon[/name_m], [name_m]Leopold[/name_m], [name_m]Lionel[/name_m], [name_m]Levi[/name_m]

I have trialled calling him [name_m]Nico[/name_m] and it does feel more comfortable as I also like short names and my problem with [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] was that I liked the long form but not the short names, and it’s all about short names / nicknames here.

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I also think [name_m]Max[/name_m] & [name_m]Nico[/name_m] share a certain cool factor and match, BUT what’s holding me back is that I think [name_m]Max[/name_m] is undeniably timeless whereas I feel like [name_m]Nico[/name_m] is much more of a nickname … :frowning:[name_f][/name_f] it would help if it was up in the charts like [name_m]Leo[/name_m] / [name_m]Theo[/name_m], but I’m worried about it seeming like I guess, a cheap name choice if that makes sense. Whereas [name_m]Max[/name_m] is so strong and timeless. [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] is more timeless in that it’s the oldest name in history just about !! But a long name is just not sitting well.

[name_m]Rafe[/name_m] may be a good nickname option, [name_m]Rafferty[/name_m] could be a good midway for [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] if little one has started to respond to their name🤍

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[name_m]Can[/name_m] you just call him by his middle for bit and see how that goes? I honestly like both names but naming is so hard!
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Raphael is definitely not too unusual in Australia. I know a Nicholas and Raphael who are half brothers. It’s a very nice name, highly international, and Rapha /Rafa or Rafe are cool short forms. I like the reverse symmetry with the brothers’ names and think they match.

I haven’t read your previous posts. Have you put the paperwork in? I’m not sure changing the name to something other than Leo is a good idea when you feel Leo is so perfect. Try to keep communicating your feelings to your husband in a way that shows you value him and his support.

I like the suggestions of Oscar, Felix, Eli, Sam and Milo or Miles, but would suggest thinking about meaning for you to see if there’s anything you connect with more than Leo. Is there a particular European country or countries you have ties to? Vincent (Vince)? Or Victor (Vic)? Adam defines timeless…

I get that [name_m]Raphael[/name_m] would be a little tricky in [name_m]Oz[/name_m], but the nickname [name_m]Rafa[/name_m] screams [name_f]Aussie[/name_f] energy to me. Does the nickname [name_m]Rafa[/name_m] help? [name_f]Do[/name_f] you like it? [name_m]Nico[/name_m] is cute too. What about [name_m]Dominic[/name_m] (Dom), [name_m]Lorenzo[/name_m] (Enzo), [name_m]Matteo[/name_m] (Matt)?

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Would your partner prefer [name_m]Leon[/name_m] to [name_m]Leo[/name_m]? Why is [name_m]Leo[/name_m] a hell-no?

Maybe one of these and you’ll be able to use [name_m]Leo[/name_m] as a nickname?
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Leonel[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Leon[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Leonardo[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Leovanni[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Leopold[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f][name_m]Leandro[/name_m]
[name_f][/name_f]Rayleo / Raileo/ Raeleo
[name_f][/name_f]Raphileo / Rapheleo