Yeah, I guess I can understand that, and I guess as long it’s harmless, it’s not a huge issue.
However it’s when it takes a sinister turn, such as stealing other people’s photos, that it becomes an issue.
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when you check out a name you’ve liked for long and when you click on the ‘similar’ tab to get some suggestions it’s full of creative spellings and out-there wordnames
Me and a friend talking about character names:
[name_u]Ashley[/name_u]: Yeah, I liked the idea of [name_f]Della[/name_f] but then I thought it would be cool with a Z, so her name is [name_f]Zella[/name_f]. I’m pretty sure I made it up but I don’t care.
Me: I think [name_f]Zella[/name_f] is a real name.
[name_u]Ashley[/name_u]: Really? Are you sure?
Me: nervous laughter I don’t know. Why are you asking me? It’s not like I spend a considerable part of my free time researching names haha…
under my breath Yes, I’m sure.
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bf: Who was that?
me: uhm, [name_f]Kathrin[/name_f] or [name_f]Kerstin[/name_f] or [name_f]Bianka[/name_f] or something
bf: …?
me: yeah whatever I’m bad with names
bf:
I mean… I’m bad with remembering names if they’re common and I’m indifferent towards them!
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Made me laugh: http://i.imgur.com/x3IzbKp.jpg
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This dialogue suggests that a) parents who give their children invented names don’t love their children and b) children with invented names should be taken away from their parents. Are these ideas you agree with? Are you seriously equating invented names with abuse and neglect? Wow. So funny.
My six years old sister wants three children and already picked their names as Eren, Melis and [name_f]Alisa[/name_f]… when I was six I had an imaginary son Bekatü… Atleast their names are not made up?
It’s a joke… from stand-up comedy. If it’s not your humor just leave it be.
I’m quite surprised by how sensitive you are.
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You’ve openly admitted to judging people as trashy or low class based on their names (your vendetta against the name [name_m]Kevin[/name_m] is particularly bizarre x x x), and now here you are posting jokes about removing children from their parents because they were given invented names. What could be easily overlooked coming from one person is particularly grating coming from you. I have a short temper, I’ll admit that. There are aspects of Nameberry that absolutely infuriate me, and the rampant classism on the forums - which you actively and enthusiastically contribute to - is one of them. If you think that makes me sensitive, so be it. I don’t give a damn.
[name_m]How[/name_m]'s this exchange for a Nameberry meme? Sheesh.
@southern.maple: to be fair, the [name_m]Kevin[/name_m]-thing isn’t ~her~ vendetta. It’s an actual problem in Germany. It is bizarre indeed, and partly goes back to a poorly-performed social study that has since mysteriously vanished from the internet. Also, all the examples you list are kept tactfull, stating that “there is discrimination” and not “I support that discrimination”.
@opheliaflora: also to be fair, taking children from their mothers at birth without their consent (esp. if based on class or race) is definitely a sensitive subject. Keep in mind that it was a real thing not that long ago, possibly still is.
When [name_m]Ezra[/name_m] shows up in orange in today’s most popular names: aww yiss finally
When the wiki says it’s a gender-bend of the male hebrew name: nonononononono
When [name_m]Esra[/name_m] is still blue: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻”┻
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Yes! Also [name_u]Noah[/name_u] and [name_f]Noa[/name_f]!
[name_m]Esra[/name_m] is pink in my mind since it is a girl name in Turkey. [name_f]Arda[/name_f], [name_f]Kaya[/name_f] and [name_f]Rumi[/name_f] are all blue since they are male names.
The fact Turkish Erol and Irish [name_m]Errol[/name_m] are one letter away from each other is really funny for me.
There is a Turkish name Okay and I am not okay with that at all. I mean Turkish has to draw the line somehow, somewhere. And Turkish didn’t draw the line not with Bike or Mine or Ufuk or Umay and now we have Okay too?
There’s the dutch name Boy, the swedish name Love and I have a complete list of names on my drive that are apparently used in America that would sound ridiculous in Germany, including Boden (‘ground’), Speck (‘bacon’), and Magen (‘stomach’). Seriously, please, just spell it Megan.
Edit: yeah I know about Esra since there are many Turkish people in Germany 
It infuriated me when a blog post was titled “A girl called Ezra”. Like “whoa, a girl with a girl’s name, trends sure are crazy!!”
Western names that will sound ridiculous in Turkey are [name_f]Anne[/name_f] and [name_m]Erik[/name_m]. [name_f]Anne[/name_f] means mother and [name_m]Erik[/name_m] means plum lol.
@southern.maple
As Wanderine stated, [name_m]Kevin[/name_m] is a name that is perceived as low-class here, and with low-class I don’t mean “hard working people who earn less money than they deserve” but people who live on welfare, not because they cannot find a job or can’t work due to illness but because they would rather live on other people’s money, sit in front of the tv and eat fast food every day than earn a living.
In all the examples you’ve given, it’s very clear that this isn’t only my personal view of the name but rather how they are perceived by many through-out Germany.
I also never said it was a bad name, I certainly don’t have a personal vendetta against it, it’s simply a name that works much better in other countries than it does in here.
There is classism, sure, but I wholeheartly believe that people who use terms such as “low-class” aren’t referring to people who simply earn less, so the literal meaning of the word, but rather to how it is used nowadays - for people who don’t work and are proud of that, complain all day how immigrants are taking their jobs even though they never amounted to anything themselves and are therefore not qualified.
Also, people that simply don’t have much class, as in, are rude.
At least that’s what I use the word for.
There are names that, to me, remind me of the above kind of low-class people, may it be due to somebody I personally know or due to a tv/movie/etc. character and as this is a name dicussion site, I think it’s entirely fine to talk about these associations. As respectfully as possible, so not calling a name trashy, but still honest.
[After all, names, like all other things, don’t exist in a vacuum, they are seen a certain way by people and I’d think (and based on the countless “wdyt of this name” threads, know) especially name lovers like to know about how their
favourites may be perceived in the real world, where not everyone knows the history or meaning of a name.
If they decide that the mentioned things aren’t a problem for them, wonderful, but at least the decision is based with knowledge or potential problems.]
Anyway, this discussion an example of what you see on here so it can be classified as a Namberry meme!
@wanderine
Thank you for clearing up that “Kevinismus” wasn’t my invention nor that I support it.
I suppose the joke may be a little dark, and it’s not my joke - I don’t think children should be taken away from their parents because of names (unless they are “Idyot”, “Liddle Shyt”, etc.) - but it had nothing to do with class or race. You see wealthy, caucasian people choosing weird names as much as any other race or “class”.
I do think some parents set their children up for a difficult time when naming them, however, I don’t think it makes them unloving parents. But the joke still made me laugh, it’s just a joke after all.
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On a lighter note:
In my brother’s school there’s a girl called “[name_u]Nike[/name_u] Vers@ce” (FN LN) and when I read her name I was already hearing NBs discussions in my head.
Such snobbery all the way around…it disgusts me and now I remember why I stopped coming here.
Can’t you all just be happy that there are so many names to consider and that the hobby exists at all? Variety is the spice of life after all.
Help make the world a better place instead of insulting, judging, and putting down others. Please.
So, for the meme: https://i.imgflip.com/vyxnp.jpg?a416592
Jeez, now you’re saying exactly what I was trying to show you don’t mean.
I do, though.
As much a I wished certain names weren’t attached to this imagery/group of people; as i said before, names don’t exist in a vacuum, they are attached to these people.
Now sadly a lot of teachers and employers as well as many other people will judge the person for their name and treat them accordingly (that’s were the Kevinismus study comes in).
Now I don’t exist in a bubble either, names do have certain vibes to me, and yes, I may not like that people are judged for their names, but I also perceive certain names as low-class, although I really don’t associate them with any real class but rather with certain behavior.
And I can understand why people might not want to pick names that half of the country associates with laziness and rudeness, I can understand why people wouldn’t want a name that teachers associate with bad behavior,
And I think it’s okay to say, this name may be perceived a certain way (which might include me, though I wouldn’t treat a person differently) and for parents to say: no we don’t want that for our child so we’re picking another name.
Because, again, I wish we could change society’s view on many topics, names included, but we can’t, so you have to make the best decision for your child not for some great dream world where nobody has any prejudices but for this world.
The reason we can’t have a dream world where nobody has any prejudices is because of people like you who confirm and repeat biased statements where “there is no actual proof or any scientific studies that have proven that Kevins are tawdry” (Apparently, Some Countries Really Hate The Name ‘Kevin’ | HuffPost Weird News) and who call out an actual child’s real full name on an Internet forum to ridicule it even though it is beautiful and completely legit.
The fact that more traditional [name_m]German[/name_m] names are given to those in a wealthier socioeconomic bracket just goes to show that the rest of the people are trying to break away from the snobbery and sense of elitism umbrella-ing their culture.
[name_f]Ophelia[/name_f], you are wrong. You CAN change society’s views on many topics, we all can if we choose to do so and take small steps to get the ball rolling. But instead we follow around some imaginary idea that if we name our child [name_m]Alexander[/name_m] he will turn out to be the greatest human that ever lived, completely neglecting the fact that he will be raised and influenced by classist parents and continue a vicious cycle of feeling and saying he is superior while stepping on others (especially that one percent who sit on their asses all day and do nothing).