Stuck because of my own rules!

[name_m]Hi[/name_m]

I think I have painted myself into a corner with all the naming rules I have imposed on myself. So I am requesting your expertise!

Current situation
We have a 3yr old daughter [name_f]Holly[/name_f] with middle name [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] already.
We have a single syllable last name.

My current set of rules for the next one (if it’s a girl)

  • Must be easy to correctly spell by anybody hearing it. No strange derivative spellings.
  • Must not be gender neutral (nicknames are ok)
  • Can’t start with H or M
  • Can’t end with an E sound
  • Must have more than one syllable in the first and middle names because I want some rhythm to the name.
  • I prefer quite traditional names
  • I love nature names but I guess I certainly can’t have another nature based first name

Can you help with suggestions or have I constrained myself too much!

[name_f]Georgia[/name_f] [name_f]Willow[/name_f] & [name_f]Sophia[/name_f] [name_u]Wren[/name_u] were the first names to come to mind. Also, [name_f]Anna[/name_f], [name_f]Violet[/name_f], [name_f]Clara[/name_f], [name_f]Juliet[/name_f], [name_f]Charlotte[/name_f], [name_f]Isla[/name_f], [name_f]Lillian[/name_f], [name_f]Emma[/name_f] or [name_f]Katherine[/name_f].

What about [name_f]Rosa[/name_f]? It eludes to a nature name without being entirely thematic. I also think [name_f]Holly[/name_f] & [name_u]Evelyn[/name_u] pair really nicely. [name_f]Holly[/name_f] [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] and [name_u]Evelyn[/name_u] [name_f]Louise[/name_f]?

[name_f]Alice[/name_f], [name_f]Catherine[/name_f], [name_f]Louisa[/name_f], [name_f]Josephine[/name_f], [name_f]Lilian[/name_f]/[name_f]Lilac[/name_f]/[name_f]Lilly[/name_f] (mn)

[name_f]Elowen[/name_f] (which is Cornish for [name_u]Elm[/name_u])
[name_f]Iris[/name_f]
[name_f]Primrose[/name_f]
[name_f]Violet[/name_f]
[name_f]Laurel[/name_f]
[name_f]Marguerite[/name_f]
[name_f]Ornella[/name_f] (Italian - flowerish ash tree)
[name_f]Flora[/name_f]

[name_f]Lorna[/name_f] [name_f]Merriel[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucinda[/name_f] [name_f]Evangeline[/name_f] ([name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Lucy[/name_f] sound so cute together!)
[name_f]Mabel[/name_f] [name_f]Aurelia[/name_f]
[name_f]Acacia[/name_f] [name_f]Delphine[/name_f]

[name_u]Evelyn[/name_u]
[name_f]Cassia[/name_f] - not-so-obvious nature name
[name_f]Julia[/name_f]
[name_f]Annabel[/name_f]
[name_f]Clara[/name_f]
[name_f]Marina[/name_f]

I don’t think it’s too limited - although no M names is a shame because there are sooo many beautiful names starting with M out there!

As for a nature name, I think you could get away with it as long as you avoid names that are flower/plant/tree-based or too reminiscent of the winter and/or holiday season (for example, [name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Noelle[/name_f] – that’s just too much). However, I will say that I think names like [name_f]Lillian[/name_f] and [name_f]Roslyn[/name_f], while based on flower names, are so traditional that many don’t really associate them with the flower anymore. I wouldn’t think twice about [name_f]Holly[/name_f] paired with either of those names – but [name_f]Holly[/name_f] & [name_f]Violet[/name_f] or [name_f]Holly[/name_f] & [name_f]Rosemary[/name_f] (that last one is both flowery and Christmasy – double whammy) is too much for me.

[name_f]Abigail[/name_f]
[name_u]Abril[/name_u]
[name_u]Adair[/name_u]
[name_f]Adelaide[/name_f]
[name_f]Adele[/name_f]
[name_f]Adeline[/name_f]
[name_f]Adrianna[/name_f]
[name_f]Adrienne[/name_f]
[name_f]Alana[/name_f]
[name_f]Alice[/name_f]
[name_f]Alma[/name_f]
[name_f]Amelia[/name_f]
[name_f]Analisa[/name_f]
[name_f]Analise[/name_f]
[name_f]Anastasia[/name_f]
[name_f]Anika[/name_f]
[name_f]Angelica[/name_f]
[name_f]Angelina[/name_f]
[name_f]Annabelle[/name_f]
[name_f]Anya[/name_f]
[name_f]April[/name_f]
[name_f]Aria[/name_f]
[name_u]Ariel[/name_u]
[name_f]Arielle[/name_f]
[name_f]Aster[/name_f]
[name_f]Astrid[/name_f]
[name_f]Astoria[/name_f]
[name_f]Athena[/name_f]
[name_f]Audra[/name_f]
[name_f]Audriana[/name_f]
[name_f]Audrina[/name_f]
[name_f]Aurelia[/name_f]
[name_f]Aurora[/name_f]
[name_f]Ayla[/name_f]
[name_f]Ava[/name_f]
[name_f]Aviva[/name_f]
[name_f]Avril[/name_f]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f]
[name_f]Belinda[/name_f]
[name_f]Bellatrix[/name_f]
[name_f]Bianca[/name_f]
[name_f]Brenna[/name_f]
[name_f]Brianna[/name_f]
[name_f]Brianne[/name_f]
[name_f]Bridget[/name_f]
[name_f]Brielle[/name_f]
Brienne
[name_f]Brigitte[/name_f]
[name_f]Britta[/name_f]
[name_f]Calista[/name_f]
[name_f]Camilla[/name_f]
[name_f]Camille[/name_f]
[name_f]Carissa[/name_f]
[name_f]Carlotta[/name_f]
[name_f]Carolina[/name_f]
[name_f]Caroline[/name_f]
[name_u]Carmen[/name_u]
[name_f]Cassandra[/name_f]
[name_f]Cecilia[/name_f]
[name_f]Celia[/name_f]
[name_f]Celeste[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f]
[name_f]Clara[/name_f]
[name_f]Clarissa[/name_f]
[name_f]Colette[/name_f]
[name_f]Coraline[/name_f]
[name_f]Cornelia[/name_f]
[name_f]Corrine[/name_f]
[name_f]Cosette[/name_f]
[name_f]Cressida[/name_f]
[name_f]Della[/name_f]
[name_f]Delilah[/name_f]
[name_f]Demetria[/name_f]
[name_f]Edith[/name_f]
[name_f]Eleanor[/name_f]
[name_f]Elena[/name_f]
[name_f]Elin[/name_f]
[name_f]Eliza[/name_f]
[name_u]Eloise[/name_u]
[name_f]Elsa[/name_f]
[name_f]Emilia[/name_f]
[name_f]Esmerelda[/name_f]
[name_f]Estelle[/name_f]
[name_f]Evangeline[/name_f]
[name_u]Evelyn[/name_u]
[name_u]Fallon[/name_u]
[name_f]Farrah[/name_f]
[name_f]Fiona[/name_f]
[name_f]Francesca[/name_f]
[name_f]Gabriella[/name_f]
[name_f]Gabrielle[/name_f]
[name_f]Garnet[/name_f]
[name_f]Gemma[/name_f]
[name_f]Geneva[/name_f]
[name_f]Genevra[/name_f]
[name_f]Georgia[/name_f]
[name_f]Georgina[/name_f]
[name_f]Gia[/name_f]
[name_f]Giselle[/name_f]
[name_f]Guinevere[/name_f]
[name_f]Gwendolyn[/name_f]
[name_f]Gwyneth[/name_f]
[name_f]Imogen[/name_f]
[name_u]Indigo[/name_u]
[name_f]Isabelle[/name_f]
[name_f]Isla[/name_f]
[name_f]Isolde[/name_f]
[name_f]Jolene[/name_f]
[name_f]Julianna[/name_f]
[name_f]Juliet[/name_f]
[name_f]Katrina[/name_f]
[name_f]Larissa[/name_f]
[name_f]Layla[/name_f]
[name_f]Leah[/name_f]
[name_f]Leila[/name_f]
[name_f]Lena[/name_f]
[name_f]Leona[/name_f]
[name_f]Liesel[/name_f]
[name_f]Lila[/name_f]
[name_f]Lilith[/name_f]
[name_f]Lillian[/name_f]
[name_f]Lola[/name_f]
[name_f]Lorelei[/name_f]
[name_f]Lorna[/name_f]
[name_f]Louisa[/name_f]
[name_f]Louise[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucia[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucinda[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucille[/name_f]
[name_f]Luna[/name_f]
[name_f]Lydia[/name_f]
[name_f]Nicolette[/name_f]
[name_f]Nora[/name_f]
[name_f]Octavia[/name_f]
[name_f]Odette[/name_f]
[name_f]Olivia[/name_f]
[name_f]Ophelia[/name_f]
[name_f]Pandora[/name_f]
[name_f]Portia[/name_f]
[name_f]Priscilla[/name_f]
[name_f]Rachel[/name_f]
[name_f]Rebecca[/name_f]
[name_f]Regina[/name_f]
[name_f]Rochelle[/name_f]
[name_f]Roslyn[/name_f]
[name_f]Rowena[/name_f]
[name_f]Roxanne[/name_f]
[name_f]Sabrina[/name_f]
[name_f]Samantha[/name_f]
[name_f]Savannah[/name_f]
[name_f]Scarlet[/name_f]
[name_f]Serena[/name_f]
[name_f]Shayla[/name_f]
[name_f]Sia[/name_f]
[name_f]Sienna[/name_f]
[name_u]Sierra[/name_u]
[name_f]Solange[/name_f]
[name_f]Sophia[/name_f]
[name_f]Starla[/name_f]
[name_f]Stella[/name_f]
[name_f]Sylvia[/name_f]
[name_f]Tabitha[/name_f]
[name_f]Tallulah[/name_f]
[name_f]Tatiana[/name_f]
[name_f]Ursula[/name_f]
[name_f]Victoria[/name_f]
[name_f]Viola[/name_f]
[name_f]Virginia[/name_f]
[name_u]Vivian[/name_u]
[name_f]Veda[/name_f]
[name_f]Vera[/name_f]
[name_f]Zara[/name_f]

[name_f]Tansy[/name_f] and [name_f]Zahara[/name_f] are flower names but not obvious ones.

Traditional or classic names
[name_f]Alexandra[/name_f]
[name_f]Victoria[/name_f]
[name_f]Christina[/name_f]
[name_f]Vanessa[/name_f]
[name_f]Jacqueline[/name_f]
[name_f]Jessica[/name_f]
[name_f]Jennifer[/name_f] -may still seem dated but it is pretty
[name_f]Veronica[/name_f]
[name_f]Octavia[/name_f]
[name_f]Rebecca[/name_f]

[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and:

[name_f]Laura[/name_f]
[name_f]Celeste[/name_f]
[name_f]Tessa[/name_f]
[name_f]Rachel[/name_f]
[name_f]Sarah[/name_f]
[name_f]Anna[/name_f]
[name_f]Cora[/name_f]

[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Lark[/name_f]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_u]Lake[/name_u]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Dahlia[/name_f]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Flora[/name_f]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Zinnia[/name_f]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_u]Dove[/name_u]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_u]Sky[/name_u]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Clover[/name_f]
[name_f]Holly[/name_f] and [name_f]Laurel[/name_f]

Middle Names: [name_f]Belle[/name_f], [name_f]Beatrice[/name_f], [name_f]Cordelia[/name_f], [name_f]Cecily[/name_f], [name_f]Matilda[/name_f], [name_f]Anne[/name_f]/a

Okay. That’s a lot of rules! And I thought you said must be gender neutral, so I was writing down a lot of unisex names! [name_m]Man[/name_m]. Here are some first name ideas, I’ll come back later with middles…

[name_f]Lucille[/name_f]
[name_f]Anastasia[/name_f]
[name_f]Alexandria[/name_f]
[name_f]Cassandra[/name_f]
[name_f]Clarissa[/name_f]
[name_f]Delilah[/name_f]
[name_f]Evangeline[/name_f]
[name_f]Gabriella[/name_f]
[name_f]Isabella[/name_f]
[name_f]Noelle[/name_f]
[name_u]Piper[/name_u]
[name_f]Priscilla[/name_f]
[name_f]Sarah[/name_f]
[name_f]Scarlett[/name_f]
[name_f]Stella[/name_f]
[name_f]Victoria[/name_f]
[name_f]Virginia[/name_f]
[name_f]Valentina[/name_f]
[name_f]Jessica[/name_f]
[name_f]Caroline[/name_f]
[name_f]Samantha[/name_f]
[name_f]Serena[/name_f]
[name_f]Ava[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f]
[name_f]Eleanor[/name_f]
[name_f]Alice[/name_f]
[name_u]Eloise[/name_u]
[name_f]Kate[/name_f]
[name_f]Ava[/name_f]
[name_f]Olivia[/name_f]
[name_f]Sophia[/name_f]
[name_f]Summer[/name_f]
[name_f]Eliza[/name_f]
[name_f]Adele[/name_f]
[name_f]Adela[/name_f]
[name_f]Rebecca[/name_f]
[name_f]Alexandra[/name_f]
[name_f]Stephanie[/name_f]
[name_f]Abigail[/name_f]
[name_f]Estelle[/name_f]
[name_f]April[/name_f]
[name_f]Eva[/name_f]
[name_f]Emma[/name_f]
[name_f]Iris[/name_f]
[name_u]Wren[/name_u]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f] “[name_f]Birdie[/name_f]”
[name_f]Lillian[/name_f]
[name_f]Bella[/name_f]

I’m not sure if all the rules apply to the middle names as well.

[name_f]Isabella[/name_f] [name_f]Grace[/name_f]
[name_f]Bridget[/name_f] [name_u]Page[/name_u]
[name_f]April[/name_f] [name_f]Charlotte[/name_f]
[name_f]Bridget[/name_f] [name_f]Ariana[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucille[/name_f] [name_f]Adeline[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucille[/name_f] [name_f]Abigail[/name_f]
[name_f]Anastasia[/name_f] [name_f]Faith[/name_f]
[name_f]Alexandria[/name_f] [name_f]Heather[/name_f]
[name_f]Julia[/name_f] [name_u]Winter[/name_u]
[name_f]Sylvia[/name_f] [name_f]Willow[/name_f]
[name_f]Clarissa[/name_f] [name_f]Noelle[/name_f]
[name_f]Gabriella[/name_f] [name_f]Faith[/name_f]
[name_f]Cassandra[/name_f] [name_u]River[/name_u]
[name_f]Delilah[/name_f] [name_u]June[/name_u]
[name_f]Evangeline[/name_f] [name_f]Daisy[/name_f]
[name_f]Noelle[/name_f] [name_u]Winter[/name_u]
[name_f]Sarah[/name_f] [name_f]Anne[/name_f]
[name_f]Stella[/name_f] [name_f]Ruth[/name_f]
[name_f]Stella[/name_f] [name_f]Luna[/name_f]
[name_f]Valentina[/name_f] [name_f]Violet[/name_f] [name_f]Claire[/name_f]
[name_f]Jessica[/name_f] [name_f]Nicole[/name_f]
[name_f]Caroline[/name_f] [name_u]Bliss[/name_u]
[name_f]Caroline[/name_f] [name_f]Mae[/name_f]
[name_f]Samantha[/name_f] [name_f]Grace[/name_f]
[name_f]Serena[/name_f] [name_f]Willow[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] [name_f]Diana[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] [name_f]Louise[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] [name_f]Lucille[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] [name_f]Jane[/name_f]
[name_f]Eleanor[/name_f] [name_f]Octavia[/name_f]
[name_f]Eleanor[/name_f] [name_f]Opal[/name_f]
[name_f]Eleanor[/name_f] [name_f]Jane[/name_f]
[name_f]Eleanor[/name_f] [name_f]Blythe[/name_f]
[name_f]Eliza[/name_f] [name_f]Fern[/name_f]
[name_f]Olivia[/name_f] [name_f]Rose[/name_f]
[name_f]Emma[/name_f] [name_f]Josephine[/name_f]
[name_f]Emma[/name_f] [name_f]Cecile[/name_f]
[name_f]Alexandra[/name_f] [name_f]Mary[/name_f]
[name_f]Alexandra[/name_f] [name_f]May[/name_f]
[name_f]Stephanie[/name_f] [name_f]Cora[/name_f]
[name_f]Abigail[/name_f] [name_f]Ruth[/name_f]
[name_f]Eva[/name_f] [name_f]May[/name_f]
[name_f]Iris[/name_f] [name_f]Juliet[/name_f]
[name_u]Wren[/name_u] [name_f]Evangeline[/name_f]
[name_f]Lucille[/name_f] [name_f]Beatrice[/name_f]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f] [name_f]Violet[/name_f]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f] [name_f]Harriet[/name_f]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f] [name_f]Joanna[/name_f]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f] [name_u]June[/name_u]
[name_f]Beatrice[/name_f] [name_u]Juniper[/name_u]
[name_f]Bella[/name_f] [name_f]Claire[/name_f]

I don’t think it’s too limited. In fact, I would say that I had basically the same rules (with different off limits first initials) for my second. There are so many pretty girls names that end in -a, and that’s what I ended up with. Now, with my third, it’s much harder bc they can’t end in -y or -a, and that’s a huge chunk of girl names!

[name_f]Alice[/name_f] [name_f]Cordelia[/name_f] was the first that came to mind

[name_f]Lillian[/name_f] [name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] is my pick ([name_f]Lillie[/name_f] and [name_f]Holly[/name_f] would be cute) Both are very traditional names with really only one spelling (except for the nickname [name_f]Lillie[/name_f])

Mix and Match from the following:
First Names
Adelaide
Adeline
Annabelle
Annalise
Arabella
Caroline
Clara
Cora/Coraline/Cordelia
Eleanora
Emilia
Emmeline
Evangeline
Evelina
Genevieve
Hannah
Katherine
Madeline
Rosalyn/Rosaline
Scarlett
Vera

Middle Names:
Aurora
Briar
Calla
Camellia
Cassia
Dahlia
Eden
Eve
Fleur
Flora
Ginger
Hazel
Jade
Laurel
Lavender
Magnolia
Marigold
Poppy
Posey/Posy
Rose/Rosaline/Rosalyn
Violet
Zara

[name_f]Bella[/name_f]
[name_f]Ada[/name_f]
[name_f]Ida[/name_f]
[name_u]June[/name_u]
[name_f]Agnes[/name_f]
[name_f]Tessa[/name_f]
[name_f]Alma[/name_f]
[name_f]Julia[/name_f] (I don’t think that [name_f]Juliet[/name_f] goes with [name_f]Holly[/name_f], even though many are recommending it)

[name_f]Susan[/name_f] [name_f]Eleanore[/name_f]

or

[name_f]Cynthia[/name_f] [name_f]Helen[/name_f]

Thanks all so much for your help. I am sorting through the answers now.
So turns out this one is a girl!
I am writing this from hospital where both of us are lucky to be here after a placental abruption.

So far these are the combos from your suggestions I am thinking about:
[name_f]Alexa[/name_f] [name_f]Lily[/name_f]
[name_f]Lauren[/name_f] [name_f]Victoria[/name_f]
[name_f]Abigail[/name_f] [name_f]Lucy[/name_f]
[name_f]Juliet[/name_f] [name_f]Alice[/name_f]
[name_f]Charlotte[/name_f] [name_f]Imogen[/name_f]
[name_f]Isabella[/name_f] [name_f]Grace[/name_f]
[name_f]Florence[/name_f] [name_u]Eden[/name_u]
[name_f]Alexa[/name_f] [name_f]Lauren[/name_f]

I like [name_f]Alexa[/name_f] and [name_f]Alexandra[/name_f]. But can’t quite nail the middle name. I can’t use an M name because my last name is Monks.

Now the pressure is really on to come up with a name!! Thanks so much for your assurance this far.

[name_f]Clara[/name_f] [name_f]Ivy[/name_f]
[name_f]Thea[/name_f] [name_f]Fleur[/name_f]