lol never read or watched it sorry
Iām bored by the hated, annoying, most popular kid triumphing over all the popular people and knocking them to the curb as the once hated kid suddenly becomes the most popular kid aroundā¦
It just wonāt happen in real life, itās boring.
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Itās just funny how JKR turned that classic cliche into the most popular series of all time
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Also Eragon, [name_f]Star[/name_f] Wars, the other (newer) [name_f]Star[/name_f] Wars, Wheel of Time, [name_u]Legend[/name_u] of the Seeker, His Dark Materials and Spiderman. Itās a well-used trope to say the least.
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Yes. It is probably a third of books!
Yeah but all those books are so good I canāt bring myself to care because I love them 
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Well. Not [name_u]Legend[/name_u] of the Seeker. The first lesson the hero had to learn was how to lose his temper, like, wtf thatās not a good thing, and everything. involves. rape. Like, need to characterize the villain? Have him rape a child. Need to characterize his minion? Have the two of them talk about how much they like raping children. Need a ritual of some sort? Must it be dark and edgy? [name_m]How[/name_m] about rape?
So I guess weāve come around to the original topic of the thread again. Stories donāt become more āmatureā by throwing sex, violence and sexual violence on them 
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gosh so sorry I havenāt read that, I wasnāt speaking broadly of the collection you mentioned
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Absolutely. When sex and violence arenāt treated with nuance, caution, and gravity, they become vulgar and gratuitous and donāt add any emotional resonance or depth to a work at all.
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Along the same vein as @Wanderine, excessive, gratuitous, or meaningless violence and sexual content annoys me if it serves no purpose other than to provide some action or excitement. I think I said something earlier about works treating violence against or death of background characters or bad guys lightly, but this is a broader cliche I find distasteful.
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[name_m]Can[/name_m] I add, female characters who are made to seem strong because they were sexually assaulted in the past. A woman does not ābecomeā strong because she had her autonomy violated. Sheās always strong.
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I mean, I think that it can be a factor as to why a woman is strong- maybe not because of the experience itself, but because afterwards she became physically strong because she wanted to make sure nothing like that ever was able to happen again, and emotionally strong because sheās like āif I can get through thatā¦ā or somethingā¦ I dunno where Iām going with this!
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Iām not saying that victims arenāt strong, Iām just saying that women (and people in general, I just see this trope most often in girls) can be strong individuals without experiencing trauma related to sexual assault. Itās sort of a cruel twist on the trope that a girlās life/personality changes completely when she meets a guy. As I said, women can be strong without having to have their autonomy violated. Thatās why I added the emphasis on ābecauseā, I really only have an issue with it when that event/experience is the catalyst of the characterās entire personality.
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Okay, I interpreted it not as āwomen can be strong without having to have their autonomy violatedā but as āa woman does not become strong because she had her autonomy violatedā. I completely agree that there are many other reasons a woman could be strong.
Completely unrelated, another cliche I hate is when, so often in books from a femaleās point of view, they end up making the guy that annoys her the most be the guy that she ends up withā¦ why canāt an annoying guy simply just be a jerk? I know that people have complex backstory to why they are the way they are, but a character finding that out doesnāt mean she has to suddenly be attracted to the guy!
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Pointless romances.
If the love interest is a well-rounded character, serves a purpose in the plot and has a genuine, believable relationship with the mc then Iām all for it. But too many times a love interest has been included for absolutely no reason and ruins the rest of a plot.
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Incompatible people becoming endgame. Iām sorry, but [name_f]Katniss[/name_f] and Peeta had nothing in common. [name_f]Katniss[/name_f] hated him in the first book, and was in love with [name_u]Gale[/name_u] until pretty much the end of the third one.
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When a woman says sheāll never get married (because she doesnāt want to get married, not out of stubbornness) and ends up getting married. This happens way too often. Why canāt she just stay single like she wanted to?
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lol I thought that was a [name_m]German[/name_m] problemā¦ American romcoms are like āShe prefers the fast , independent life in the city but learns to love the simple farmer with the dog insteadā and [name_m]German[/name_m] romcoms are like āHe annoys the frick out of her but then he helps her saving The Place so now she loves himā, with The Place being a farm or a daycare or a bookshop her family has owned for generations.
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nooooo this is American movies as well 
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The evil stepmother. Sheās not just in fairy tales. Sheās everywhere.
Thereās always a dead mother who was important to the protagonist, the fatherās new wife who is super mean and hates the protagonist, and the father either a) doesnāt see the problem b) doesnāt care about the problem or c) is too weak to stand up to her.
The classic evil stepmother is so overused that for many people the word āstepmotherā makes them think āevil.ā I know many stepmothers who are kind and loving, and this classic, annoying trope portrays all stepmothers as mean. Iād like a nice stepmother for once.
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