4th baby due tomorrow!

Hello!

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I’ve posted here during all three of my previous pregnancies. However, this time around, we felt pretty set with a name 98% of the way through my pregnancy! But now that he’s almost here, I’m having cold feet about our original choice, and also doubts about our dark horse contender that I’d been more set on for the last week or so. I need you, Nameberry!

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I would love thoughts on which name you like best in general, in combination with his siblings’ names, feedback on the pros and cons of our main choices, and maybe any other ideas for boys’ names that sound good with his siblings and have a Catholic connection (either a saint name or a biblical name). (Though my husband is now refusing to consider any alternative choices besides our top two until the baby’s here, haha.)

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Our other kids are M@rtha, M0rris (my maiden name), and The0dora. [name_m]The[/name_m] younger two go by offbeat nicknames that just sort of naturally occurred.

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[name_f]Ok[/name_f], so the names in contention:

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[name_f]My[/name_f] favorite boys’ name as a child is also my husband’s middle name: [name_m]Peter[/name_m]. I’m very fond of it, love the children’s literature associations, rock-solid saint connection, and that it’s a classic name that also sounds gentle and intellectual. Downsides: I don’t see as much potential for cute nicknames there. Petey?? [name_m]The[/name_m] kids suggested Pickle, lol. I also feel a liiiiittle bored by it (and it doesn’t thrill me with our last name, 0lsen) but it’s also been such a longtime love, and this is my chance to use it. If it’s not the first name, I’m pretty set on using it as the middle.

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Another name I’ve always loved the sound of is [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m]. (Eff-rum.) I remember walking back from gym class in high school talking to another girl about how we both loved this name. I love the soft sound and the association with [name_m]St[/name_m] [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] the Syrian, who is a [name_m]Doctor[/name_m] of the [name_m]Church[/name_m] and an important saint to Eastern Christians (we’re Eastern Catholic). He wrote tons of poetry and music and was influential in making church music a thing way back in the 300s. I also love the idea of [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] nicknamed [name_m]Remy[/name_m]. We are major nicknamers. (Though to be honest, we’ve never been able to plan a nickname ahead of time—they’ve never gone as planned!) [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] feels fresher and more exciting to me, and I like it better with our last name. Compared to [name_m]Peter[/name_m], [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] has a pretty ecumenical pedigree—it’s seen a lot in Jewish communities, Mormon/Latter-Day saints, and apparently [name_m]Amish[/name_m]! There’s also a more recent Orthodox [name_m]St[/name_m] [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m]. Is it too loaded with multiple associations? [name_f]In[/name_f] combination with brother M0rris (in some contexts kind of a Jewish grandpa name) is it too Jewish for gentiles to use? It also has many different spellings and pronunciations, but we would use the most common Biblical spelling and pronounce it what seems to be the most common [name_f]English[/name_f] way, Eff-rum. Would that be burdensome compared to the very familiar [name_m]Peter[/name_m]?

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Thank you for reading my novel! I’m so grateful for any thoughts, breakdowns, psychoanalysis, suggestions, and other feedback you might have!

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[name_m]Peter[/name_m] and [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] are both lovely options [name_f][/name_f]- do you live in an area where people will know how to pronounce [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m]? where I’m from, I’m positive it would trip some people up [name_f][/name_f]- then again, it’s a very easy correction.

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[name_m]Peter[/name_m] is sturdy, literary, and familiar. [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] does seem to have quite a few associations, but I think if anything, that increases his useability (since the associations are generally positive).

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[name_m]Not[/name_m] sure if you have any other middle contenders, but if it’s between [name_m]Peter[/name_m] [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] and [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] [name_m]Peter[/name_m] [name_f][/name_f]- I find [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] [name_m]Peter[/name_m] to be more interesting. [name_m]You[/name_m] noted a hint of boredom at [name_m]Peter[/name_m] and I do agree, even knowing he won’t be one of multiple in a class (like you would with [name_m]Noah[/name_m], [name_m]Liam[/name_m], [name_m]Jack[/name_m], etc). [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] has a more interesting sound I think, and feels more worldly. He rounds out your sibset in a way that feels cohesive, yet interesting, whereas [name_m]Peter[/name_m] is a tiny bit less climactic.

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I truly don’t think you could go wrong here, but yeah, if it were me in your shoes I think I’d be leaning toward [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] [name_f][/name_f]- or seeing which feels right after he’s born! Wishing you & baby well in your delivery and naming process.

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[name_m]Hi[/name_m] and congratulations!

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[name_m]You[/name_m] have two strong choices, and I understand your hesitations with each of them, but also the appeal! I personally prefer strong, literary, classic [name_m]Peter[/name_m] and love that little story of it being your favourite name for a long time and belonging to your husband too [name_f][/name_f]- such lovely family meaning [name_f][/name_f]- but that is me coming from a non-religious point of view, so I do understand those associations are important too and that perhaps [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] offers that dimension. I also slightly prefer [name_m]Peter[/name_m] with the sibset.

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[name_m]You[/name_m] say your hesitation with [name_m]Peter[/name_m] is the lack of nickname options. But with your other kiddos, their nicknames are unconventional and just happened organically [name_f][/name_f]- maybe give [name_m]Peter[/name_m] the chance for that unplanned nickname to emerge? Although if I had to pick one, I’d say Pip/Pippin would be cute!

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Good luck!

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Ooh, it seems like you may be leaning towards [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] a little more, but I could be wrong!

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However, with siblings M@rtha, M0rris, and The0dora, I think I’d be more pulled towards [name_m]Peter[/name_m]. He has that similar vintage and cozy vibe, with the lovely children’s literature association (always a win in my book!) I think Peter’s one that doesn’t feel[name_f][/name_f] like there’s many nickname options, but I can absolutely see many of them coming organically, which seems to be a thing for your family! Personally, I love Bunny/Rabbit and [name_m]Pim[/name_m] as a nickname for [name_m]Peter[/name_m], but you might also be able to go with something like [name_m]Perry[/name_m], [name_m]Pio[/name_m], or [name_m]Pip[/name_m], especially if T goes by some more offbeat nicknames. :white_heart:

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With [name_m]Peter[/name_m] in particular, I love that he still feels a bit secular as a staple classic. I think [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] leans quite religious, and I’d be apprehensive using it because of that. Ephraim’s a fab name, though. I just personally prefer names that feel a bit more flexible when it comes to their religious ties. :blush:

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Thank you for such thoughtful feedback! I agree that the combo [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] [name_m]Peter[/name_m] works best. I’m leaning towards pulling an unusual wild card middle name out of our hats if we put [name_m]Peter[/name_m] in the first spot.

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[name_m]Pip[/name_m] or [name_m]Pippin[/name_m] would be so cute! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I feel like I’m leaning towards not missing out on the chance to use [name_m]Peter[/name_m].

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[name_m]Amazing[/name_m] nickname ideas for Peter—thank you for sharing your thoughts! [name_m]Pio[/name_m] in particular could work since his first and last initials would be PO :laughing:[name_f][/name_f] I appreciate the [name_m]Peter[/name_m] love!

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[name_m]Welcome[/name_m] back and congrats on baby #4[name_f][/name_f]! We have very similar styles/preferences, so hopefully some of my thoughts are helpful.

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[name_m]Peter[/name_m] is a personal favorite, and I love it for many of the reasons you listed. Nicknames are quite a challenge, but it sounds like you’re master nicknamers and something will come along organically regardless. [name_f]Love[/name_f] the suggestion of [name_m]Pio[/name_m] and maybe you could throw in an “I” middle name? [name_m]Or[/name_m] maybe [name_m]Poe[/name_m]?

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[name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] is also on my list, though I do sometimes struggle with its pronunciation/spelling ambiguity. [name_m]Remy[/name_m] is also a fabulous nickname, though has quite different vibe than [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] (more suave and modern). M0rris and [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] are quite “Jewish grandpa” together, but it doesn’t strike me as unusable for non-Jews.

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Also, FWIW, I actually prefer [name_m]Peter[/name_m] with your last name!

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Based on your writeup, it does sound as if [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] is your preference right now. I do sometimes hesitate on dark horse candidates this late in the game though, and would ultimately prefer a name I’d always loved (i.e. Peter).

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This for initials PO is great!

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Congratulations!

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Both are lovely choices. [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] is a handsome choice feels eclectic with a distinguished academia flair. I think [name_m]Remy[/name_m] would make a lovely nickname. I also do not find this name with older brother M0rr1s too ‘Jewish’ yes they have a Jewish Grandpa flair but it’s not overwhelming.

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However despite feeling positive about [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] I adore sweet, soft [name_m]Peter[/name_m]. I think [name_m]Peter[/name_m] is gorgeous an adorable name that feels relaxed, cosy and wholesome. I really like how [name_m]Peter[/name_m] just feels so effortless within your sibling set very cohesive. [name_m]Peter[/name_m] [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] would be a handsome choice. Regarding nicknames I love [name_m]Pip[/name_m] :green_heart:

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[name_f]Hope[/name_f] this helps

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Thank you so much for your feedback! I woke up feeling like I might need to go [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] for the freshness factor and nicknames, but feeling wistful about [name_m]Peter[/name_m]. All the positive feedback and nickname ideas for [name_m]Peter[/name_m] are making me feel more confident about embracing my longtime favorite!

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Thank you so much! It’s nice to get such positive feedback about both choices, and I really resonate with your descriptions of the vibes of both names!

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i think [name_m]Peter[/name_m] would be the better choice, [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] would be misspelled, mispronounced, maybe even bullied a little. as a middle name i think it’s cute tho!

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I do love the idea of [name_m]Peter[/name_m] with a wild card middle :heart:

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I also feel quite split between these two names. I love the classic feel of [name_m]Peter[/name_m], it is undoubtedly timeless and dignified. I’ve also been reading to my son [name_m]The[/name_m] [name_m]Lion[/name_m], the Witch and Wardrobe recently so I can really appreciate that particular literary reference. It’s also a family name for me so it has sentimental feelings attached too. [name_m]Peter[/name_m] could have any number of alternative nicknames as already mentioned up thread. I do think it’s the better style match with your older children which makes me like it more.

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But [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] excites me. [name_m]The[/name_m] sound is more distinctive and interesting to me, and it feels quite fresh. I like the idea of it perhaps in a romanticised way because I’ve never known anyone with the name it can fit any idea I have of name, whereas [name_m]Peter[/name_m] has been worn by all sorts of boys and men. [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] ‘Remy’ is unexpected and gives you a playful side to Ephraim’s calmer, quieter side. I don’t think it’s as nice a fit with your older children. It works with your eldest daughter as a clunky biblical name, and it vibes well with your other son for the reason you mention, but then it feels at odds with your youngest daughter whose name leans distinguished and storybook.

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That all makes me reflect on how often in life we can face choosing between two good options. They offer different things and each has value. [name_m]The[/name_m] comforting presence and reliability of [name_m]Peter[/name_m] verses the interest and thrill of [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m]. Something that reflects your family history or something the highlights your faith in a more obvious way. There are many positives for each name and you could go either way and be happy.

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[name_f]In[/name_f] the end, your older son having your maiden name up front makes me feel more decided about choosing [name_m]Peter[/name_m] as another strong family name. [name_m]The[/name_m] nickname will sort itself out and you can have fun with the middle name (which could also lend itself to nicknames). I wish you all the best with your upcoming birth!

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[name_m]Great[/name_m] choices :slight_smile:
[name_f][/name_f]I’ve never thought of the nickname [name_m]Remy[/name_m] for [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m], that’s honestly the cutest thing ever. Personally I think [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] goes with your other kids names better.

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What about [name_m]Pen[/name_m] for [name_m]Peter[/name_m]?
[name_f][/name_f]PEter olseN… Also similar sounding to [name_m]Peter[/name_m] “Pan”.

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[name_f]My[/name_f] 2 cents (probably more like 6 :sweat_smile:) [name_f][/name_f]:

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I agree that both names are great, and you can’t really go wrong.

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I do think that [name_m]Ephraim[/name_m] is the higher-maintenance option of the two. It’s not the easiest to spell, and I’ve never heard it pronounced Eff-rum before. I always hear it pronounced Eef-rum. I could see that being an uphill battle. But, it might be worth it for you guys :woman_tipping_hand:

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I always advise moms to say the name you’re considering out loud[name_f][/name_f]. That always helps me know.

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And, if it helps alleviate some pressure, if you choose a name, and it’s just not jiving, you can change it, and that’s okay.

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Congratulations on baby 4 - your kids have charming names!

for what it’s worth, it doesn’t feel too out of place with the likes of Hezekiah, Ezekiel, Emmanuel, Abraham, Messiah, Eliam, Jeremiah, Jasiel, Ozias and so on which have been in the charts.

I do think you could use it, since it is Biblical - so long as you don’t mind the associations - plus nickname Remy adds a slightly different spin to it?

Peter feels like a solid, versatile choice - and one you’ve loved for a long time. Do you think you’d regret not using it?

You could to Peter Ephraim ‘Remy’? maybe? from Peter Ephraim?

Other nicknames could be Pip, Rocky, Pez (PEHZ), Pal, Patch…plus any others that come about naturally?

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This is all so thoughtfully articulated, thank you! I’m leaning towards the same conclusion you are in your last paragraph. Thank you for the well-wishes! :two_hearts:

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Higher maintenance is a good way to describe it! It does seem like there are regional differences in pronunciation, too. Thank you for sharing your 6 cents :laughing:

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