Alice vs Elizabeth?

Hi everyone!
Loving both Alice and Elizabeth right now.
Which do you like more, and what vibes do you get off both of them?
For me, Alice is great because it has no nicknames. I think Elizabeth is beautiful, classy and strong, but it generally becomes Liz. Liz is a little dated but what do you think of that?

Thank you :heart:

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I prefer Elizabeth (nn Lil, Lily, Elsa or Beth). I love how tailored and self-contained Alice is but there’s something about how it sounds or feels that is displeasing for me. I prefer Elise or Ailíse.

Edit: Agree with @heartwings, Elisabeth is prettier and should minimise the risk of Liz. I don’t like Lis/Lissy, mind, but let’s first deal with Liz.

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I prefer [name_f]Alice[/name_f] because I like [name_f]Elisabeth[/name_f] with a S more, and because an [name_f]Alice[/name_f] does not have to explain around the spelling, while where I live Elisabeth/Elizabeth is not THAT common (though [name_f]Elisabeth[/name_f] more popular and probably assumed) so she would have to explain the spelling a lot :sweat_smile:

[name_f]Alice[/name_f] is so international and sweet and means “noble” :heart:

If it was [name_f]Elisabeth[/name_f] I would have voted her though, she sits so high in my lists.

[name_f]Alice[/name_f]: sweet but strong, serious but light, versatile and short! It doesn’t necessarily need a nickname and probably wouldn’t automatically get one but [name_u]Allie[/name_u] and [name_f]Lissy[/name_f] are lovely anyway.

[name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f]: classic, versatile and elegant, with plenty of nickname opportunity. I can see the drawback of this in that there might be one you dislike - and equally, in this case, I think I prefer some of the nicknames as stand-alones than the full name (Beth, [name_f]Eliza[/name_f], [name_f]Elise[/name_f], [name_f]Libby[/name_f], [name_f]Effie[/name_f] etc)

So overall, I do prefer [name_f]Alice[/name_f] :slight_smile:

I prefer [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] although they are both elegant, classic and lovely. In a way it’s the opposite reason to you, I’m very much a nickname person and [name_f]Alice[/name_f] doesn’t have much flexibility there, whereas [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] is endless nickname fun!

I agree that [name_f]Liz[/name_f] sounds dated, but not that it’s the automatic nn for [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f]. In the U.K. I think I’ve met more Elizabeths shortened to [name_f]Ellie[/name_f] than [name_f]Liz[/name_f] (in fact I can only think of one Lizzie), but I’ve also known them to be called [name_f]Libby[/name_f], [name_f]Beth[/name_f] or [name_f]Lily[/name_f]. Then there’s [name_f]Betty[/name_f], [name_f]Betsy[/name_f], [name_f]Zibby[/name_f] …just so many options!

To me [name_f]Alice[/name_f] is very Victorian, lace gloves, tea sets, rose gardens, someone sweet and sensible and gentle. [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] is a bit more energetic with its sparky Z, brave and majestic, but still very much at home at Alice’s garden party.

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I feel like an [name_f]Alice[/name_f] could very easily be nn [name_u]Allie[/name_u] or maybe [name_f]Lissy[/name_f] as a stretch.
I really like both names. Some nicknames for [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] I absolutely adore (Lizzie and Birdie) so those would rank higher than [name_f]Alice[/name_f]. Most of the other nn options are tied with [name_f]Alice[/name_f], and the one’s I don’t like (Ellie mostly) would rank lower. [name_f]Alice[/name_f] gets a few bonus points for being more uncommon.
I personally would be more likely to use [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] because I have a bit of trouble saying the soft hissy S sound at the end of [name_f]Alice[/name_f] but I like them equally for other people.

I love [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] without a nickname! Maybe people close to you would be less likely to call her [name_f]Liz[/name_f] if it was spelt [name_f]Elisabeth[/name_f]? as Lis doesn’t make as much sense. However I feel like that’s not something non name people would think about much :joy:

[name_f]Alice[/name_f] [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] or [name_f]Elisabeth[/name_f] would be a great combination! [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] [name_f]Alice[/name_f] wouldn’t have the same ring to it.
Individually, I would choose [name_f]Alice[/name_f] as I hate [name_f]Liz[/name_f] and [name_f]Lizzie[/name_f], and generally these are the go-to nicknames. But I would certainly consider [name_f]Alice[/name_f] [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f]!

I definitely prefer [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] over [name_f]Alice[/name_f]!

[name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] is graceful, refined, classic, strong, regal and has lovely religious connotations. Honestly [name_f]Liz[/name_f] was what put me of using [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] upfront when it came to me naming my daughter however I actually think this is a non issue that I was overthinking. If your child introduces herself as [name_f]Libby[/name_f] or [name_f]Eliza[/name_f] then that’s what she’ll be known as. I think with [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] your less likely to have a default nickname as there are so many nicknames unlike with my name where most people go to ‘Vicky’ which is something I was slightly paranoid about when using [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f]. [name_m]Even[/name_m] though even in my own life it’s been a bit of a non issue!! Anyways in a nutshell don’t overthink [name_f]Liz[/name_f]!

Whereas [name_f]Alice[/name_f] has never appealed I’ve tried desperately to like her but I know a horrible [name_f]Alice[/name_f] and all I see is lice.

I like [name_f]Alice[/name_f] a lot. It’s clean, streamlined, and enamel blue. [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] has a lot of awkward sounds (əb, əth) and it’s terribly common. I do like [name_f]Eliza[/name_f] and [name_f]Elsie[/name_f], though.

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Tho I love both [name_f]Alice[/name_f] gives me more immature like [name_f]Alice[/name_f] in wonderland vibes, I love [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] as it’s timeless. (Nn; [name_f]Eliza[/name_f], [name_f]Lizzie[/name_f], [name_f]Beth[/name_f], Bethy, Elsie)

Interestingly, [name_f]Alice[/name_f] is 64th most popular name in US (believe around 1/500) and [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] is 15th (around 1/250), but elsewhere - UK, Australia and NZ, [name_u]West[/name_u] Europe (except Germany), Scandinavia & other parts of the world (eg countries with Sth America) [name_f]Alice[/name_f] is more popular and often by a large margin. [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] to me is a boomer and maybe GenX name (not originally of course, I mean most recently in terms of naming trends) while [name_f]Alice[/name_f] is on the 1870s-1940s “vintage” train.

Yeah, but I don’t really know enough children to notice that in day to day interaction - so my frame of reference of people I meet, celebrities, historical figures, etc, is skewed towards Elizabeths.

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Both are beautiful, but I prefer Alice. :blush: I recently heard a mother call her little Alice- Alyssa and Lissa.

Fair enough! [name_m]Just[/name_m] picking up on the “terribly common” comment. I only know older Elizabeths but I get it’s the more historically salient name.

[name_f]Alice[/name_f]! I love the picturesque, storybook, runnning through a garden vibes it gives! It has a victorian/Edwardian feel of lace dresses, embroidered parasols, and wide brimmed floral hats, twirling your parasol and spinning your skirt while strolling on the cobblestone streets. At the same time, it can also have a more darker, creepy, more gothic [name_m]Tim[/name_m] [name_m]Burton[/name_m] aesthetic, so it’s a very versatile name.

Both are beautiful! I think of [name_f]Alice[/name_f] as sweet and a little bookish, a little old-fashioned, too. I sort of expect a little [name_f]Alice[/name_f] to be like [name_f]Lucy[/name_f] [name_u]Pevensie[/name_u] in the first [name_f]Narnia[/name_f] movie from several years ago, the one with [name_u]Georgie[/name_u] [name_u]Henley[/name_u]. Old fashioned dresses and cardigan sweaters, feminine, sweet, strong, brave, and loves hiding out in libraries and wardrobes :heart:

[name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] will always be a little sassy and always strong because of [name_f]Lizzy[/name_f] [name_u]Bennet[/name_u], but she wouldn’t have to be [name_f]Liz[/name_f]! The only little [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] I know goes by [name_u]Baby[/name_u] [name_f]Beth[/name_f], which I think is super sweet (she’s about 13 months old). If I had an [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f], she’d go by [name_f]Ella[/name_f], [name_f]Lily[/name_f], or [name_f]Eliza[/name_f] (or maybe a combo of the three). [name_f]Liz[/name_f] is the standard for our generation, but classics like [name_f]Margaret[/name_f] or [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f], I think the nns get revamped every generation - because [name_f]Liz[/name_f] feels as dated as [name_u]Ashley[/name_u] and [name_f]Peg[/name_f] as dated as [name_u]Shirley[/name_u]!

I like [name_f]Alice[/name_f] more than just [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f], but I like Ella/Eliza/Lily slightly better than [name_f]Alice[/name_f]. Both are really lovely though!

[name_f]Alice[/name_f] is a classic, but she feels stuck as a little girl to me because of [name_f]Alice[/name_f] in Wonderland. [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] is so versatile, and I agree that Liz/Lizzie might be the most intuitive nickname, but I think she could easily also be called Elle/Ellie or [name_f]Eliza[/name_f].

[name_f]Alice[/name_f] becomes [name_f]Ally[/name_f] and [name_f]Lissie[/name_f] sometimes. Nicknames aren’t necessary, though. [name_f]My[/name_f] son is Grantson and [name_m]Grant[/name_m] has never come up because we didn’t call him [name_m]Grant[/name_m] ever.

I like both names a lot and think you should go with whichever one you prefer and don’t worry about nicknames. I am not a nickname person and neither of our kids have been called by one, I think mostly because we never used them.

I like [name_f]Elspeth[/name_f] too!

[name_u]Love[/name_u], love, love [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f]. You can’t go wrong with [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] (or Elisabeth.) It is the all-time #1 classic name. So special as a first name. Decide which nickname you prefer and use the two names interchangeably. [name_f]My[/name_f] favorite nicknames are: [name_f]Elise[/name_f], [name_f]Lise[/name_f], Lisi, [name_f]Libby[/name_f], [name_f]Lib[/name_f], [name_f]Elle[/name_f], [name_f]Ellie[/name_f], [name_f]Bitsy[/name_f], [name_f]Zibby[/name_f], [name_f]Betts[/name_f]