Breaking family traditions?

[name_m]Hi[/name_m] all!

In this week’s edition of Let Us Name Your [name_f]Baby[/name_f], [name_f]Jen[/name_f] is struggling with the pressure from family members to carry on a family tradition and use a name for her baby she doesn’t like.

The name is from her husband’s side of the family and has a bit of a legendry reputation for them, and while [name_f]Jen[/name_f] has considered and put forward using a variant, neither she nor her husband really like them.

So, some questions for you all! [name_m]Feel[/name_m] free to answer as few or as many as you like!

  • What would you do in Jen’s situation and what advice would you give to her?

  • Would you use a name you don’t like because of family traditions or because it’s an ‘honour’ name?

  • Would you take your parents/grandparents/wider family’s opinions into account when naming a baby?

  • Are there any traditions in your family that you would consider continuing, breaking - or putting your own spin on?

Thanks for taking part everyone!

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I am all for breaking a tradition! Especially because I broke one myself haha. Traditions can be fun if the people involved like the tradition, but they should always be optional, especially with new members of the family. I think it is arrogant to expect a son- or daughter-in-law to bend to your family’s traditions because they didn’t grow up with them, nor do they feel the significance of it because it is not their tradition. I like the advice that was already given. I think that because malintent is not presumed, I would just add that it might be helpful for her husband to say that they are not choosing this to go against the family or to be stubborn, but they want a name that they love for their child. And that they are their own family now, half of which comes from different naming traditions and norms. It isn’t fair to expect her to bend. When deciding whether I wanted to continue the tradition, I also thought of my future child and child-in-law and the pressure they could feel to continue the tradition. Because I didn’t want them to feel pressured like I was feeling, it made it easier to break the tradition for their sake haha.

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I broke a tradition! [name_f]My[/name_f] husband has the same full name as his dad, and although having just one junior doesn’t make it a tradition yet, 1) his legal name is First Middle Last II instead of [name_m]Jr[/name_m] mainly so he could easily continue using the same full name to have a son who was the III; and 2) it is definitely a tradition in the extended family. Many II’s, III’s, etc. Moms giving their daughter their sister’s name (so the aunt & niece have the same name), etc. Lots of naming after people. However, in my family, people will honor people with middles names, so I found the repeated names rather confusing and unnecessary. [name_f]My[/name_f] husband and his dad go by the exact same name, and it’s not a name that can be shortened or nicknamed either. It’s also a pretty uncommon name, so it’s not the same as having two Davids in a family, making the repetition feel stranger and more prominent that they are the same because the name is pretty rare.

I have many reasons for not wanting to continue the tradition, and thankfully my husband was very understanding. He was a little sad about it since he grew up with the expectation to have a son with his same name, which made him want to do it. [name_f]My[/name_f] compromise was that I would be okay with continuing the tradition if we called our son by the middle name. It was already way too confusing with my FIL and husband having the same name, and I did not want to add a third person to that haha. Because my husband didn’t like his middle name enough as the psuedo first name for our son, we decided to give our future son his own name. Our second child was our boy, and he is 10 months old with his own name, and I love that! I am glad it worked out the way it did. [name_f]My[/name_f] FIL did seem a little annoyed that we didn’t continue his name down the line, but no one else said anything negative about it to us, so if they were bothered, they haven’t told us haha. Either way, at the end of the day, this baby was ours, and we have started our own family.

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such a great way of phrasing it!

Thank you for sharing your experience too - I’m glad it all worked out and your sons got names that you both feel happy with :slight_smile:

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Maybe discuss using names with “ann” in them, such as [name_f]Diana[/name_f] and Raeanne, or using [name_f]Ann[/name_f] as a middle name?

If that doesn’t work out, I agree with [name_f]Pam[/name_f] that you let your in-laws know you’re done talking about names.

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Everyone else has already expressed my thoughts well and don’t have anything to add.
To reiterate, I think she should choose names she & her husband loves. If she can’t find any middle ground with variants of [name_f]Ann[/name_f], then break the tradition and find another name. And kindly tell her mother in law and anyone else who may be budding in that the name is ultimately the baby’s parents decision and that they don’t want to discuss names with anyone anymore.

No. There are some people I’m very close and look up to so I would love to honor them in some way but just can’t get pass really disliking their name, even for a middle. However, I have come up with more creative ideas on how I could honor these people if SO is inclined when the time comes. If I wanted to honor someone named [name_f]Ann[/name_f] for example, I would look at variants and similar sounding names such as [name_f]Anya[/name_f] and [name_f]Hannah[/name_f]. I would look up it’s meaning (in this case means Grace) and look for other names that mean [name_f]Grace[/name_f] or just use [name_f]Grace[/name_f] or [name_f]Gracelyn[/name_f] itself. Since [name_f]Ann[/name_f] is short, I eventually realized (someone in my family has a similar name) that I could find this name inside numerous other names such ariANNa, liliANa, oriANa, adriANNe, etc. In addition, while this doesn’t apply to Jen’s case because this really only applies to honoring a specific person and not to traditions, could also look at what they valued (ex [name_f]Amelia[/name_f] if they value and demonstrated hard work; Amy/Amabel/Amanda names if valued love), liked (ex [name_m]Archer[/name_m] if they were into Archery; [name_f]Delphine[/name_f] if their favorite animal was a dolphin; their alter name they go by online or used in a foreign language class), or anything of significance like birth month and stone. But at the end of the day, if I still can’t find anything I like, I won’t use it regardless of traditions, curses (some of my family are quite superstitious so I have seen the lengths they do in order to try to avoid bad luck), and what the family wants (I may not have kids yet but my mom is very pushy and insistant in general even after I became an adult so I’m quite familiar with constantly pushing back and standing ground).

If I’m trying to honor someone still living, I would want them to like the honor name so I would probably 1. Ask if they would like me to honor them and 2. If they would like the variant I would be using.

There’s also one side of my family who’s from a culture that typically doesn’t do honors. I’m not sure if they also hold this view or willing to give an exception for this person that was vital to the family’s success so I would probably ask them but not actually say which names we’re wanting to use.

Besides that, I also have a very long name list. If future SO can’t help me narrow it down, I’ve considered getting some thoughts from family. Still debating on it as I don’t want to and recognize it may end up causing more problems but might have to if the short list is too long. I already know there’s a few names on my list that my parents like so they shouldn’t try to veto all of them anyway. If I decide to gage their opinions, I would tell them that it would ultimately be up to me & SO and not them. I’m actually currently trying to gage their perceptions on some of the names now before ttc as I feel like they might be more adamant and pushy when I’m expecting because they will suddenly become aware that I’m actually seriously considering some of those names.

However I know many others struggle to come up with enough names they like. If that’s the case, I definitely wouldn’t discuss it with family or anyone really. Could consider asking the internet if there’s any important obvious negative associations that you overlooked but that’s about it.

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I can empathize with the issue this couple has come across. At the end of the day you have up to 4 sides of the family that may want different things or get jealous if you honor the other side rather than them (i’ve personally experienced this.) You can’t please everyone! Naming a baby should be between the parents and what they want - and while it’s hard not to feel guilty when it hurts other people, especially as an empathetic person who loves them, it’s important to stay strong and use the names that speak to you! Naming a baby is easier said than done and many people may not realize the complications that can arise until they are in that situation. I’m so glad people can look to Nameberry to get helpful advice on issues like this!!!

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I believe that naming a child is a parent’s right. Relatives have already had children they named. There is no point in traditions if they are carried out because of pressure.

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I’ll have to agree with [name_f]Pam[/name_f] and [name_f]Sophie[/name_f] here and say that I’m not talking about baby names anymore-the constant back and forth isn’t going to help
[name_f]Imo[/name_f] the parent(s) (and nobody else) should take the responsibility for naming the kid. Obviously advice isn’t all bad but if it isn’t constructive and is hindering the decision-making process then that’s kinda out of line
And I don’t think that you should use a name you hate solely because of traditions-it’s your kid, after all. YOU should be able to name them whatever YOU want.

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