Breastfeeding question :)

I plan on exclusively breast feeding for the beginning on my sons life, but I find theres so many fuzzy lines on when to introduce foods and when to wean from the breast.

On introducing semi-solid foods, a lot of sites average it to 6 months old. I’m confused on whether it means you should introduce these foods around then, or you can introduce them then. I know baby needs to be able to sit up, wrap lips around a spoon, and of course needs to be capable of swallowing and digesting these foods. And I know not every baby is the same so not every baby will reach this developmental stage at the same time as another baby. Are any babies exclusively breastfed throughout the entire first year? Or what about until 9 mo old? Though I know introducing foods takes time, like a single food item per week and not much of it, I still like the idea to ebf for as long as possible.

And on weaning… I know this is a very personal question and the answer is different per mother, but I’d still like to hear some opinions on when you either plan to wean your child or when you actually weaned your child (and the difference in timing if you planned one age range and turned out not doing so). I am for sure going to bf for the whole first year. A lot of websites seem to encourage even until they are 2. And some websites even say its great even longer! I have mixed feelings on if I’ll bf my son when he’s older than 2 but I’ve got time to decide. On one hand I love all the benefits they say there still is, on the other hand it seems a tad strange for a child that old to still be on the breast. Though I was thinking if he likes to nurse to sleep then why not continue until the time seems right to wean him off.

I’m not due until Dec 1st, and this is my first. So I’ve no experience here. I know even if I plan something now I may very well change my mind by then. But I’d love to hear pro’s and con’s either way, maybe even links to educational websites?

Thank you berries!

My advice is to feel it out once baby is here and to consult your ped.

I still nurse my 1.5 year old at night, but we cut out day nursing at about 1 year. I never really read much on the topic, I just did what felt natural. In retrospect I wish I had read a little bit and made more boundaries about when & where nursing happened once my daughter was around 9 months or so.

I never exclusively breastfed, I had to supplement here & there in the beginning and I never felt bad about it or anything.

[name_u]Kelly[/name_u] Mom is a great resource about breast feeding. You could also look into [name_u]Baby[/name_u] Led Weaning which I did a version of. I also suggest the Munchkin fresh food feeder for avocado or banana as a first food.

Good luck! Once baby is here a lot of your questions will answer themselves!

Thanks taz! Its true its hard to tell before babies here what will be right for him. I’m hoping I can exclusively bf, though in a breastfeeding kit I got from the birthing class I’m taking it included a can of formula. So holding on to it just in case :wink:

I’ll look into all three sites and see what I find! Its nerve wracking because I want to be as prepared as I possibly can in hopes of it making a smoother transition into motherhood, however I know theres only so much one can plan ahead. And half if not most the plans all change depending on your babies needs.

Thanks again!

I can’t answer too many of your questions since I’m still early in this, but for what it’s worth…

I’ve exclusively breastfed so far (daughter is 6 weeks). It hasn’t always been smooth sailing but so far I’ve been lucky to have good supply and a reasonably cooperative baby.

My goal was always only to give it a good effort since I know many women who have struggled. I reached my first goal of 6 weeks, now were aiming for 3 months, then we will be thrilled to get to 6 months, etc.

My understanding on solids is that food is “dessert” early on and your milk remains their primary food source at six months.

As taz said, [name_u]Kelly[/name_u] mom is great. I’d also recommend finding your local la leche league for support. You can even meet up with them before baby if you want to meet other bfing moms and ask questions.

Breastfeeding isn’t possible for me (I have no breast tissuie) so I can’t offer advice about that but I do understand about introducing solid foods to babies :slight_smile: As I have food allergies myself I consulted an imunoligist/allergist before introducing food. His recomendation was the same for both breastfed a d formula fed babies. He said one singular food (we used pumpkin) should be introduced at 6mo and they have only that one food as “dessert” (after milk) for 2 weeks to a month before introducing other foods. Then introduce one new food every 4-5 days after that. Avoiding high risk foods (eggs, nuts, shellfish etc.) at first but not for an excessive period. He didn’t recomend waiting until say 9mo to introduce solids as the risk of developing food alergies increaces. It varies though if the baby was prem, has milk allergies, health issues etc.

We did puree’s with [name_f]Elizabeth[/name_f] and [name_u]Baby[/name_u] Led Weaning with [name_f]Annabelle[/name_f]. I think both methods work well but it depends on the baby and how much mess you can handle. BLW can get very messy :wink:

When you first introduce solids milk is still the main soutce of nutrition (weither that’s breastmilk, formula or both) What I think is always good to remember is ‘Food is fun before one!’ :slight_smile:

On the solids question: My understanding is that you don’t want to introduce solids earlier than six months, b.c their little digestive systems are not ready yet. However, sometimes babies will need to start earlier b.c they are having trouble gaining weight. I have a couple of friends whose babies had to start solids at four months b.c they weren’t gaining weight.

But generally, the child needs to be six months old AND showing signs of readiness for solids- able to sit up, able to grab food and put it in his mouth, interest in food, etc. So if you have a six month old who can’t do those things yet, he probably isn’t ready for food yet.

But you don’t want to put off introductions solids for too long b.c babies can develop an oral aversion and then refuse to eat solids. This happened with one of my nephews- his mom EBF’d w. no solids till he was a year (not under a doctor’s supervision or anything- it was not a good idea at all) They actually had to take him to a feeding therapist and then he would only eat stage one purees for a long time and he is still quite underweight.

There can actually be good reason to do that- doctors will occasionally recommend exclusive breastfeeding no solids for a year in order to deal with specific health issues. But I wouldn’t just do it unless you had a compelling reason to. Solids are really important. And it is really fun to give a baby food for the first time!

We just gave our son bits of our regular table food- not puréed or anything. We started at six months. You don’t actually have to introduce just one food a week, only if you have allergies in your family. The only food we were told to not give our son was honey for the first year. And you should limit salt. We just add salt after cooking our food so that his can be salt-free. Everything else is fine. We never spoon-fed him either, just let him feed himself from the beginning. At first, the baby is not really relying on the food for nutrition b.c he is still getting everything he needs from milk. I guess we did [name_u]Baby[/name_u] Led Weaning, but we never read the book or anything. We just fed our son the way that our parents fed us.

Many of my breastfeeding mom friends continued nursing until the child lost interest. A lot of times, this happened when the mom got pregnant again. Apparently, this can change the taste of your milk. Also toddlers just get busy and aren’t always interested in staying still long enough to nurse. Many of the older toddlers (18 months and older) that I know nurse only at night before bedtime or if they need comfort. It’s not an all day long thing and your supply adjusts accordingly.

You also really don’t have to decide now how long your child will nurse. You can just take things a day at a time. A lot will depend on his disposition and how much you end up really enjoying nursing and so on.

I would caution you against nursing your baby to sleep- this is really bad for their teeth. Toddlers are very susceptible to nursing caries. I know that some breastfeeding advocates say that breastmilk will not rot teeth, but I also know that our pediatric dentist sees a LOT of toddlers with cavities who are breastfed to sleep. It is really important to brush their teeth after they nurse before bed.

I originally planned to nurse my baby until 1 at least, barring needing medication. I haven’t had to go on meds, but breastfeeding is HARD. We’re not exclusively bf-ing and I’m not sure we ever will be :(. Right now I’m hoping we can make it to 6 months - which is when we’ll start solids

Most people I know (myself included) started giving their babies solid foods somewhere between 4-6 months. Six months is usually the recommended age but each baby is different and some are just ready for solids earlier than others. Anyway, even when you start your baby on solids, you still have to breastfeed or give them formula. Your doctor should be able to advise you on when you can stop breastfeeding completely. My daughter is seven months old and right now and she has solids three times a day (breakfast, lunch and dinner) and breastfeeds/has bottles inbetween (I’ve never been able to produce enough breastmilk, so we’ve always supplemented with formula).

I didn’t completely read everyone else’s responses, so I apologise if I’m repeating a lot that’s been said. Here’s my take on it (as a first time mom whose baby is now over a year…I breastfed her for 14 months, she literally just weaned the other day)…

It’s a bad bad BAD idea to introduce solids too soon…but from spending time on BabyCenter and other forums like that, I’ve come to realise many people misinterpret what that really means. Research has shown that introducing any foods besides breast milk or formula before 4 months of age can be detrimental. Most pediatricians recommend waiting until 6 months. Sometimes well-meaning moms and grandmas will tell you to start feeding cereal earlier (or worse, put it in the baby’s bottle!) to help them stay fuller and sleep longer at night. There is no evidence that this works and it’s just not a good idea. They could choke. They’re digestive system isn’t mature enough yet. Lots of reasons.

On the other hand, a lot of super-duper-pro-breastfeeding moms on BabyCenter will use this phrase: “food before 1 is just for fun”. It’s totally true, but I have a problem with it. Here’s the problem: they think it means you don’t need to offer your baby their 1st bite of food before the age of 1…that is not true! It is “just for fun”, meaning it’s not the baby’s main source of nutrition and it’s okay if they spit it out, refuse it, squish it, throw it on the floor, whatever. But you absolutely should offer food, real food, in some form around 6-9 months of age. It’s a learning experience your child needs to have. It takes time for them to learn to move the food in their mouth, chew, get used to the textures and flavors of different foods, etc. Whether you breastfeed or bottle feed, you won’t be reducing the amount of breast milk or formula they get. The food will be in addition to approximately 25 oz of milk. There were a number of women in my birth group on BabyCenter who whole-heartedly bought into the “breast milk is all a baby needs” thing and their babies ended up underweight or anemic (breast milk doesn’t contain any iron, but babies are born with stores of iron that last until around 6 months - that’s why cereals are usually given as first foods, because they’re fortified with iron) or just extremely picky and rejecting all foods. It’s very stressful to them now that they’re baby is supposed to be eating food and isn’t as open to the idea as they may have been months ago. They have a lot of guilt.

As far as when to wean, that’s totally up to you (and your baby, as I’ve found out). I decided to start weaning her off the daytime feedings because I’m going back to work this school year and don’t want to have to pump at school (it’s damn near impossible anyway with my job - there is no time). Anyway, I was planning on keeping the before-bed and wake-up nursing sessions until she was 2, but the other day I offered and she kept pulling my shirt back down…so, we’re done. It was a little sad for me, but she just doesn’t need it anymore. To wean her, I just stated offering her cows milk in a sippy cup during the day so she wouldn’t be hungry for “mommy milk”. She used to nurse before naptime, so I changed up our routine and fed her a snack and then read her a story before her nap. Since she wasn’t taking as much milk when I did nurse her, my supply gradually went down to the point where she just didn’t bother asking for it anymore. I know some women do it faster and sometimes struggle with engourgment while weaning, but it happened so gradually with us I was never uncomfortable.

If you have any other questions or want me to clarify anything I’ve said, feel free to send me a message. I’d love to help anyway I can. I’m super-duper-pro-breastfeeding, too, I’m just realistic about it.

Congratulations on your pregnancy!

I’m expecting my 5th and I’ve breastfed all of them so far. The FIRST thing to know about nursing is…when you read all that stuff about when/how/blahblahblah about introducing solids, smile nicely, file it somewhere in the back of your mind, and don’t go insane trying to read it all.

Basically, your baby’s doctor will be able to advise you best on when the time is right for YOUR child (which will certainly not be before 4 months). Also, your child will let you know when he/she really WANTS the Big [name_m]Person[/name_m] Food. Before that time it’s just a big mess (and yes potentially dangerous), and after they have decided they are ready, good luck keeping them from attacking your spoon every time they see you eat, haha!

My mom nursed her kids until they were 2 1/2 or older, so I was totally expecting to do the same, but I’ve only been able to keep it up until about 14 months with any of mine. With my first, I was only able to nurse through about 10 months; I just couldn’t make enough milk for him and he nursed off every spare ounce on my body, until even the pediatrician looked at me and said I needed to supplement with formula and solids. After that I got smart and started making sure to drink plenty of water and eat tons of extra calories, and I’ve been able to nurse the other kids longer. Until they get all mobile and don’t want to sit around with Mommy anymore. :stuck_out_tongue:

Best wishes! [name_m]Don[/name_m]'t worry. I found all the advice books/sites/articles way more stressful than the actual parenting. When you see your OWN child, and how THAT child is developing, it’s a lot easier. Get yourself a really good pediatrician you trust, with nice nurses who can take your (occasionally panicked) phone calls, and you’ll be fine! Also if there is a Lactation Nurse/consultant available to help you at the birthing center/hospital, be sure to talk to her and be in touch if you have any questions at all. They are VERY helpful people!

I’m a mom of two, a three year old boy and a nineteen month old girl. With both my children I fed them breast milk exclusively for the first 6 months. (I never supplemented but I did give them bottles of pumped breast milk occasionally. I know many moms who exclusively breast fed, and then were very frustrated when their children wouldn’t take a bottle as they got older. My children went back and forth between breast and bottle very easily.

At six months I started introducing baby cereals and homemade baby food. With my son I kept him on thin purees for a few months, which really affected his acceptance to solids in negative way. Though he was introduced to a very large variety of healthy foods between 6-12 months, he is now a terrible eater and particularly dislikes meats and most vegetables.

With my daughter I also started introducing foods at 6 months, but I made her food much chunkier, and I also gave her small bits of solid food earlier. I was also a little more relaxed with what she was allowed to eat (my son only got vegetables for the first 2 months, then a few fruits, and I didn’t give him dairy or anything processed until 11 months.) with my daughter I let her experience all food groups between 6-8 months – still healthy foods – but a larger variety, and she now is a much better eater than her brother.

I wouldn’t recommend feeding before 6 months, but I wouldn’t recommend waiting until much after that age either as I would worry about aversions to texture ect.

In both cases for weaning my children I started introducing cow’s milk in a bottle at 11 months. [name_m]Just[/name_m] one bottle a day at first, then gradually increasing. (I returned to work at 12 months in both cases) As I increased the amount of milk they received in the bottle, the amount they nursed (and in return the amount I produced) gradually decreased. At 12 months my son decided he was done nursing, and at 13 months my daughter decided she was done. In both cases the baby made the decision and the transition was very smooth as they were already comfortable with the bottle, and process was very slow.

[name_f]Every[/name_f] mom and every baby is different; I never really had a plan with my first, just that I would nurse as long as it worked for us. Luckily it went well, so with my second I hoped to nurse for a year, again, I was lucky and it went well. I am now pregnant with my third, and I plan to follow a similar system again. It works for us, and you and your baby will figure out what works for you.

Know that for many, nursing in the beginning is hard, it can be painful, and if your baby is having trouble nursing, it can be very frustrating, overwhelming, and emotional. It is also very rewarding as time goes on. With my son I saw a lactation consultant at our provincial health center a few times over the first month or two, it was very informative and helpful and I highly recommend it.
Best of luck to you!

Im curious as well about liquids & if they should have juices when they start food or stick to breastmilk. My daughter is now turning 4 months & I never thought id be ebf esp. Withourt pumping if bf at all to this point. But everything still feels natural & it works so well for both of us that I feel that ill know when its time to stop. When I was pregnant I read so mucj that itd make anyone go crazy & I didnt know I would even bf at the hospital because I wasnt sure how itd go amongst many other variables… but as of now were both happy & its so easy not to mention quicker if you have a crying baby

Juice is not recomended because of the high sugar content. From 6 months you can start with sips of water with solid meals though :slight_smile:

Doctors now tell you no juice at all. Give whole fruit instead. If you give juice, they will fill up on that and not eat actual food. We don’t buy juice, but our son does have the occasional juice at someone else’s house. I think of it like cake and cookies- totally fine for a treat, not an everyday kind of thing. When I was a kid though, my mom said that the doctor always asked how much juice we got and would always say, “Give them more juice! Juice is very good for children!” So older people (including my parents) tend to be horrified that we are not filling up the sippie cups with apple juice.

Babies should not have straight cow’s milk until after one year- strictly breastmilk or formula before then. You have to watch them, though, some babies can’t tolerate cow’s milk this soon. My son couldn’t tolerate cow’s milk until around eighteen months- it gave him diarrhea and vomitting before then. You can give yogurt earlier, our son started eating plain yogurt at six months. Apparently the lactose is fermented and therefore more digestible or something like that.

think the best advice mentioned was from taz about boundaries.

its still different for every kid, but for some - just like others do with bottles or pacifiers - they wont want to stop if you dont introduce other alternatives or if you are a mom that wants the ‘baby to decide’ when its ready and let it go on so long that it can become a struggle instead of a transition to solids.

boundaries & schedules are the best things for kids, they dont hinder or hurt them - they actually help them grow and mature.

you are the mom, and along with your doctor & partners guidance & help, are the one raising this child and know whats best for you.

*though i must say dont just blindly listen to your doctor - especially if you want a more natural approach - which isnt bad, but some have extreme ideas - the last story i read was about a womens midwife & doctor who both actually left her alone in the middle of labor. things turned out okay, but it wasnt a very pleasant experience to say the least.

We started our kids at six months. We have a family history of food allergies so our pediatrician wanted us to delay introducing food for as long as possible. I’ve been fortunate enough to exclusively breastfed both of my children and my goal was to make it a year. My son weaned at 19 months and I’m still nursing my daughter who is 14 months. We luckily didn’t have to use any formula (so expensive!) but did introduce cow’s milk at a year. We also did the baby led weaning approach where they fed themselves.

Wow thanks for all this input! And thanks for the congrats :slight_smile: My sons been the biggest blessing in my life so far, and he’s not even here yet!

Especially as I have no experience in this, it probably is best to just take it one day at a time. I know breastfeeding can be quite difficult, but I’m feeling determined to follow through with it and overcome any issues that may arise. (Maybe I’ve also been following too many facebook pages like Birth Without Fear and The Leaky B@@B where people overcome issues like tongue ties, trouble latching, and many other things). I imagine [name_m]Archer[/name_m] will chose whats best for him in regards to time. And that makes sense actually that a toddler would lose interest. They are so active! I’d not thought of that :slight_smile:

For adding table foods, thats a great saying to put it by! “food is fun before one”. Cause breastmilk definitely is the main source of nutrients and such before one year old anyway. And “table food is like desert”. Great way to think of it! Though that makes sense too that it does supplement their diet with extras they may be needing. And that makes a lot of sense too how cereals are normally introduced for iron levels and such. And it makes sense to just see when baby feels he’s ready rather then “oh he’s six months now, try this!!” It comforts me to think of just having a window rather then “this is when”. Somewhere between 6-9 mo he can start tasting solids. (oh, and I’m aware of the whole juice issue. I don’t plan on giving him juice at all really. I personally don’t care for any juices anyway so theres never any at home. Maybe when he’s older I can, but I imagine I’d not think to give him any being I don’t like it).

I think as a first time soon to be mom, I may or may not be reading into a lot of things too much! I’m so nervous and want to plan, but some things really can’t be planned. I also have a small support system and I’ve not heard a lot of encouraging things on breastfeeding. Its frustrating because my man and I decided its whats right for us yet many “loving” friends have been trashing us for it.

tarynkay, thats very unfortunate that that happened to your nephew! I feel as if most children wouldn’t have that issue being its not an uncommon thing to do. Not that many years ago it was traditional for all babies to be breastfeed exclusively for the first year. I think it was in the 40’s where it became a “developmental achievement” when your child ate table foods. I’ve no idea if before that time people suffered more food allergies, I’ve not seen any research of that. I think it depends on the child, some are more picky than others. And he must have just been particular for nursing.

thatkathryngirl, I think I will send you a message! I’m not sure if I’ll have time right away this morning, but I definitely have questions! :slight_smile:

Again, thank you for all these replies!! I really appreciated the advice and read through them all and gave them thought :slight_smile:

@littlemissmariss

Have you tried contacting your local La Leche League or similar organization? It can be helpful to find a formal support network to help you through the rough patches. And you can start attending meeting now, before the baby is born. Women who love breastfeeding REALLY love it and REALLY want to help others succeed at it. Seek them out!

That said, please don’t beat yourself up if it doesn’t work out for you! Feeding your baby formula is not a failure on your part. There have always been women unable to breastfeed and those babies were either fed by others or given thin gruels or animal milks. We have much better options nowadays, and if you need reassurance about that at any point, here is a link to an extremely comprehensive study by the World Health Organization: http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/79198/1/9789241505307_eng.pdf

Babies should not be relying on solids for nutrition, definitely. But I think that pretty much throughout the history of man, babies have sat on parents laps during meal times and had tastes of things. This is what our grandmothers all said, that they knew the baby was ready for food when he started grabbing handfuls of mashed potatoes. Food should be fun for babies, absolutely. Most start to get really curious around six months and they want to get in the fun, too. Eating teaching lots of skills- hand eye coordination, pincer grasp, etc.

I was a stay-at-home single mom and had planned on breastfeeding for the full first year of my son’s life simply because I could. He took to it just fine and we EBF the entire time, however he weaned himself one day at around 11 months old. You can plan to do it for a specific amount of time, but you’ll never quite know until you try if it will work for you both, and there’s no harm in stopping earlier or continuing longer than you ‘thought’ you would. =]

I introduced him to foods gradually (and with my doctor’s advice) at about 4.5-5 months. My best friend has only just started with her son and he is 7 months and almost exclusively formula fed now (since she’d gone back to work a month ago), so it definitely just depends on the child.

I was a stay-at-home single mom and had planned on exclusively breastfeeding for the full first year of my son’s life simply because I could. He took to it just fine and we EBF the entire time, however he ended up randomly weaning himself one day at around 11 months old. You can plan to do it for a specific amount of time, but you’ll never quite know until you try if it will work for both of you. [name_m]Just[/name_m] remember that there’s no harm in stopping earlier or continuing longer with it than you ‘thought’ you would. Your child will let you know what they need from you. =]

I introduced him to foods gradually (and with my doctor’s advice) at about 4.5-5 months. My best friend has only just started with her son and he is 7 months and almost exclusively formula fed now (since she’d gone back to work a month ago), so it definitely just depends on the child.