First Kid

I didn’t think I’d ever have a kid. I’m nearing my 40’s. Always wanted one, but had almost given up.. and now I’m expecting my first in November.

With that being said I have several questions.

First.The child’s father and I are not on good terms. He would like to give his son his last name, I flat out think it’s a bad idea, but men have given me some mixed reviews on this and have called me disrespectful for giving my son my last name… which would be the last and only way carry on MY family’s last name. He has two other kids with two other women and they do not have good relationships with him either. I often have wondered if they regret giving their kids his last name, but I cannot ask. So I was hoping maybe some single mothers could give me some advice on that.

Secondly. He has given all of his kids the same middle name and I’m not interested in doing that. Opinions on that?

Thirdly. He’s given me exactly one name for suggestion for the first which is “Ed” after his grandpa, but his other kids have Ed’s middle name so I feel like naming two kids after him already is enough. Especially after finding out the man never liked me. How do I even approach this?

Lastly. the names I like he’s immediately said no to everything. I’ve tried common names, I’ve tried uncommon names. He claims that he’ knows someone with every single one I’ve mentioned. I just think he’s being difficult and taking the joy away from me on purpose because he’s not getting his way. Names I have kept on my list despite him saying no to is "Whitten, Iverson, and Macklin.” I like last names for first, old money sounding. I’m from a small town so I have to be careful with name association which is making things REALLY difficult. If anyone could give me more suggestions like this, I would appreciate it.

Sorry this was so long winded, I am just really stressed.

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I am biased, as my child has her own last name that connects to each of our last names but is not the same as either of ours, but if you are going to be a single mother then you get to choose the name. I don’t think it is disrespectful to him him the same family name as the person primarily in charge of raising him.

This whole situation sounds so stressful and I am sorry, though I am happy for you that you get to have a child and for the child that he is wanted.

I don’t have a lot of name suggestions in this moment, but there are so many names that are uncommon and NB is a great place to find them! [name_m]You[/name_m] can also look at the SSA’s top 1000 from the past year. Most of those really aren’t going to be all that common, even for boys’ names (which have a little less diversity than girls’ names).

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[name_m]Welcome[/name_m] to Nameberry! Are you planning to co-parent with him? Are the children by the other mothers also carrying his last name? Are those children in his life? By no means whatsoever should you just conform to what he wants, give the son your last name, it will be less regret. It seems like he is trying to dictate their identity. [name_m]Trust[/name_m] your gut and make sure your son has his best life.

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I don’t have any experience in this field, but I want to start off with saying I’m so sorry you’re going through this, and I hope things get better soon!

Secondly, I don’t think it’s disrespectful at all to give the child that you’re carrying and birthing your own family’s surname, especially if you’re not on good terms with the father/don’t plan on him being super involved. I’m not sure if you plan on him being around, but I definitely don’t think it’s disrespectful.

Next, if he will be involved in the child’s life, I suppose he ought to have some say in the first name, but he has had his chance to name kids, and this is your first chance. [name_m]You[/name_m] should definitely be happy with both the first, and middle name your son winds up with, and if you plan on being a single mom, then he shouldn’t have any say.

Lastly, I think [name_m]Whitten[/name_m], [name_m]Iverson[/name_m], and [name_m]Macklin[/name_m] are really cute names, and I even have [name_m]Whitten[/name_m] on my own list. [name_m]The[/name_m] only ideas I have right now that you might like are [name_m]Tolliver[/name_m], Truett/Truitt, and [name_m]Stetson[/name_m], but I hope you find the perfect name for your little boy.

I’ll be praying for you, and I wish you good luck!

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He is involved with both kids but I feel like its mostly for control of the mother’s lives. I noticed the pattern too late, not that I regret my son. I just dont wanna have the same life as they have been forced to live. They both have his middle and last name (passed from his grandpa, to him and to his kids too) . It doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies.

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Congrats mama :two_hearts:

Similarly to you I found my naming journey challenging and just want to reassure that you will eventually find the right name. Do not rush you have time.

So me & my BD are not together and I also completed my naming journey compromising with someone who wasn’t my favourite person in that moment of my life. I think my BD also enjoyed just vetoing names for the sake of vetoing as he knew it would rain on my parade it’s all long.

I would suggest creating and maintaining firm boundaries. For you to do that I would establish what your boundaries are and enforcing them mine were that our child would have a hyphenated surname, I would formulate a list of my favourites names to which I was happy to use upfront whichever he whittled down to his favourite three choices (I had the final say) and we would use a family name from either side of our family trees. It worked for us and yes her name is long but the most perfect compromise.

Onto your questions…

  1. It’s not disrespectful to use your last name what an archaic patriarchal thought process. Please ignore this nonsense. I strongly believe that the person actually raising the child (primary carer) should be represented in the last name category. I think for me the compromise I had was a hyphenated surname which I actually feel works in these situations well. Similarly you could always use his surname as the middle name like for example [name_m]Iverson[/name_m] [name_f]Jennings[/name_f] [name_m]Smith[/name_m] could work. But do not bend to this patriarchal nonsense and feel pressure to use his surname. On another note really think about whether to put him on the birth certificate especially if control surrounding previous partners/BM’s is an issue as the legalities surrounding the BC is definitely a way someone can assert control seek legal advice before making this decision.

  2. Again do not feel pressure to use a name just because he’s bestowed it onto all his children break the mould if you don’t like the name don’t use it.

  3. [name_f]Say[/name_f] no! [name_m]You[/name_m] do not owe this man anything yes he’s your BD and it would be nice to reach a compromise but that’s it a compromise not being dictated too/being forced to use a name you don’t like especially to honour someone who doesn’t even like you. Stick to your guns say no!!

  4. This behaviour doesn’t feel surprising to me I think the continuous vetoing (been there) is a form of control and a way to rain on your parade so I would stop it in your tracks. If I was you create a shortlist of names you love equally and say you can choose your favourite from these that’s all he can do. Boundaries are so important as he will continue this behaviour and you can stop it in its tracks by being firm in your response.

Your top three have a cool cowboy swagger some other ideas could be [name_m]Stetson[/name_m], [name_m]Sawyer[/name_m], [name_m]Malachi[/name_m], [name_m]Colby[/name_m], [name_m]Gatsby[/name_m], [name_m]Marlow[/name_m] + [name_m]Ellison[/name_m].

Wishing you all the best :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Firstly, big congrats on your pregnancy, especially in the circs of waiting and not knowing.

Second, of course many men would see it as disrespectful- they wouldn’t even think to consider that patriarchal naming is inherently disrespectful to women and girls. For me, the only reason I would use the father’s last name where the terms aren’t great, is for the feeling of connection to the half siblings (if they’ll have a sort of sibling/cousin relationship) and I have to say, if you liked the sound and flow of the last name better than mine. But these reasons would seem to be out balanced in your case where this is the end of the line for your last name (and where of course you can still establish half sibling relationships if that would be positive).
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If you don’t use the last name, I’d consider using the middle name to connect the half siblings - but only if you see your son as likely being proud of and happily connected with his father (something you’ll have a role in). But again this has to be weighed against whether this Ed guy really disliked you or if this is just ammo from the father of your son. Sounds like he could have told you this just ti be cruel? Either way, only use it if this Ed guy has something to honour in him or you see the value of the siblings being connected (which means it’s less about honouring Ed and more a practical kinship tie).

And no way would I use Ed for first name. That’s crazy talk - and the fact that this guy thinks you’d use Ed Ed Middle His Last Name is pure comedy, honestly. What are you, just a carrier?

I agree with @tori101 - give him a list and ask him to choose - maybe I’d ask him to choose three to give you some wiggle room for when you meet your son.

I hope you can find a community of other single mothers - including online given you’re from a small town; a mothers’ group for the first year of parenting; and lots of support - and the most functional relationship possible with the father /BD that is safe and healthy for you and your son.

Here are some other names you might like with same feel: Whitby, Rafferty, Harris, Preston, Sullivan, Callahan, Hollis, Mercer, Calder, Hadrian, Conrad, Anderson, Carter & Bradford.

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Won’t let me see the line with “sin” to edit it to “son” - butter fingers!

Really kind & useful advice - including checking up re any legal implications of using his last name (either way - could be positive or negative possible consequences).

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This guy sounds controlling and abusive. I would recommend consulting with a family attorney as soon as possible who can advise you of your rights and what you might need to do to protect your child from this man. Choose the name you want and leave him out of it IMO.

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So, I don’t have any experience with this myself, so, what I’m saying is based on considering the child and how I would feel if this were my situation or my parents:

I’d say part of this does depend on culture and how much said culture matters to you. If you’re not together, in my culture, baby automatically gets mom’s last name. If you’re married baby gets dad’s last name. If you’re on good terms but not married then the last name is whatever the couple decides, but generally hyphenated. But again, that’s what I’ve seen/my culture.

Considering how your kid might feel as he grows older this is my opinion:

  1. Your son will have questions as he grows older no matter what.
  2. If the father is an abusive monster with no good attributes worthy of respecting, then don’t name your kid anything related to the dad and go full no contact if legally possible. Explain it sweet and short to your son and as he grows older he will understand.
  3. If you guys are going to co-parent, I would highly consider hyphenated the last name so that each side feels respected and your son never gets a chance to feel that even his name is picking sides. That being said, you pick the first and middle name then. (And this is totally not meant disrespectfully, but: if baby daddy actually cared about this deeply, then he would quit being an asshole, try to work things out with you in your relationship and ultimately marry you. Look, if ya’ll ain’t married, traditionally he doesn’t get as much say as he seems to think he has. If his last name is that important to him he can man up traditionally, in my opinion. No offense to you at all - I’m sure you’re a lovely person - but…if you’re baby mama number 3, he probably isn’t going to change and you should prepare yourself to have to set and keep big boundaries and parent alone more than you intended.) All that being said, if he doesn’t seem like he is going to be that involved in his son’s life and his name is repulsive to you, you could honor a family member of his that you do like with the middle name and keep just your last name. I do think what other users have mentioned about the half-siblings should be considered, as again, this is half of your son’s family at this point genetically no matter what.
  4. Ultimately, your son is the one who has to wear this name. His name should not feel like a war to wear. It should not make him feel like he is picking sides. (Again, if there’s nothing on that side worth honoring then don’t, and if/when he asks just gently explain why.)

[name_m]You[/name_m] should definitely love his name though. Go with your gut and whatever option gives you true inner peace. Consider advice, but don’t let other people’s opinions sway your mind or lead you to compromises you can’t accept.

As an aside: never be afraid to do what’s best for your child. Don’t stay if you shouldn’t. If people want to change they will; words without action are lies, and at best a weak person’s confession of inability. [name_m]You[/name_m] can’t help anyone that doesn’t want help. You’re now a parent first: your child does not get to choose his family situation or how he is raised, so, do what you have to do for his safety and healthy development into an adult.

I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. [name_m]You[/name_m] seem considerate, sweet, and like you do want what’s best for your child. If you find my comment to be out of line, I deeply apologize and will delete it.

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[name_m]Not[/name_m] a single mom, but my cousin is. [name_f]She[/name_f] had three children with her husband (now separated), and then, while she was pregnant with her third, found out a lot of new information that made their relationship sour quickly. He is not in her children’s lives, has never been a present father, and her children have his last name (due to them being married at the time). [name_m]Her[/name_m] children have a very negative relationship with their dad, and all of them have wanted to change their last name to their mom’s. I think being associated with a man like their dad, even if it is just a surname, no matter how much they’ve grown as people, no matter how many incredible things they’ve done, has felt like a burden they have to carry. One of these kids just had a baby of his own, and they gave the baby his mom’s surname. I imagine a part of that is so he doesn’t have to have the surname of a man who has been so negative in his dad’s life.

Because your baby’s father is not on good terms with any of his exes (or baby mommas, whatever the relationship is/was) and I assume with his kids, I’d tell you to be realistic when thinking about whether this man will be present in your son’s life. If you are going to be the primary parent, your child’s name should reflect that. Honestly, it sounds like this man is not a great person, and I personally would not want my child to have a name associated with that, with worries that it might make them feel like that negativity is a part of them, if that makes sense. At the very least, I’d suggest a hyphenated surname. It is not disrespectful to want to be represented in your child’s name, especially if you will be the primary parent.

I agree with your point on honor names, and I 100% would not use the same middle. Politely tell him that this is your child and your first experience of motherhood (congratulations, by the way!), and you would like to have the full experience, which includes picking out a totally new name. Perhaps you could find an Ed- middle that you like on its own, something like [name_m]Edison[/name_m], [name_m]Edmund[/name_m], [name_m]Edgar[/name_m], etc. Or even think of the grandfather’s name and look into its meaning to find a name that might share that meaning! But always feel free to say no if you want to. [name_m]You[/name_m] don’t owe your BD an honor for a man who has already been honored, and you don’t owe a man who didn’t like you an honor. This behavior seems controlling and toxic, and I’d make sure boundaries are clearly set, and maybe even have a plan in place in the circumstance that those boundaries are ever crossed. [name_m]Even[/name_m] if it’s the number of a lawyer or a site you can look at to find information on custody or legal protection.

I second the suggestion of creating a short list (maybe three names you really love) and giving him the opportunity to pick from those. [name_m]You[/name_m] have around four months until you welcome your son. If he cannot show up, treat you with respect, and prove that he can be a healthy parent to your baby, that option of picking from your favorites can be removed. Don’t let this man ruin motherhood for you, and please do not let patriarchal expectations dampen your enjoyment of the process of picking out a name. :mending_heart:

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Agreeing with all the other berries so far!

For the surname, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with giving your son your last name. A mother’s surname is just as much a family name as a father’s. If you’re the one carrying, birthing, and likely doing most of the parenting, I don’t see why his surname should automatically be the default. Honestly, I think having your mum’s surname should be a lot more normalised. My mum kept her own surname when she married my dad, and he kept his, and my brother and I were given her surname when we were born. My dad’s surname is our middle name, so we still have that connection to his side of the family. My parents divorced when we were really young, and growing up it always made sense to me that we had our mum’s surname. [name_f]She[/name_f] is our mum, she gave birth to us, and even though custody was technically 50/50, she did a lot of the day-to-day parenting. At the same time, I do genuinely like having my dad’s surname as my middle name. But that’s because my dad and his family were actively involved in raising me and were a huge part of my life. To me, that connection came from the relationship, not from sharing a surname. So if you want to give your son your surname and maybe include his father’s surname as a middle name, that’s a perfectly reasonable option too. But I definitely don’t think you should feel pressured into giving him his father’s surname just because that’s what’s traditionally expected.

For the middle name, I don’t think you’re wrong for not wanting to repeat the same pattern he’s used for his other children. If that’s something meaningful to him, that’s fine, but it doesn’t automatically mean it has to continue for every child across different relationships. Your son can still be part of his family regardless of whether he shares the exact same middle name as his siblings.

With the first name, “Ed” is a pretty big ask if it’s not something you love, especially if his other children already carry that family connection in their names.

I don’t think you need to feel stuck between either fully giving in or refusing everything. [name_m]You[/name_m] choose a first name you actually love. Middle name could be a variation of “Ed” (like [name_m]Edward[/name_m], [name_m]Edwin[/name_m], [name_m]Edison[/name_m], [name_m]Edgar[/name_m] etc.). Or you use his surname as the middle name. Or it would be perfectly acceptable for you to choose both the first and middle name, and give your child your last name.

I honestly think it might help if you stop it being an open-ended back-and-forth and instead make a shortlist of names you actually like and feel good about. Then he can pick from that rather than just shutting down everything you suggest. At the same time though, I don’t think it should become a situation where he gets to just override everything or veto endlessly either. Ideally it’s still a joint decision, but within a structure that actually gives both of you a fair chance to land on something. If he’s rejecting everything without offering real alternatives, then it’s less about finding “the perfect name” and more about finding a process that forces actual compromise. And honestly, you still deserve to choose a name you genuinely like at the end of all that, not something you’ve been pushed into just because it was the only option left.

From your list, [name_m]Whitten[/name_m], [name_m]Iverson[/name_m], and [name_m]Macklin[/name_m] all fit that “surname-style first name” feel. [name_m]You[/name_m] might also like names like: [name_m]Callan[/name_m], [name_m]Soren[/name_m], [name_m]Maddox[/name_m], [name_m]Camden[/name_m], [name_m]Langston[/name_m], [name_m]Wilder[/name_m], [name_m]Reid[/name_m], or [name_m]Hollis[/name_m].

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[name_m]You[/name_m] have the first say in all the decisions. [name_m]You[/name_m] are the one who has the little baby growing inside of you. All the child’s father does is sit in the delivery room. Don’t let him decide on everything unless you want to end up with your son called [name_m]Desmond[/name_m] [name_m]Marcus[/name_m] (I made that mistake with my firstborn.). Here is an a-z list of names I think would suit your liking but agreeable with the father.

  • [name_m]Albert[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Boris[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Charles[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Dane[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Edmund[/name_m]. (Ed for short to agree with [name_m]Daddy[/name_m])
  • [name_m]Frank[/name_m].
  • [name_m]George[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Henry[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Isaac[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Jerry[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Kyle[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Lauchlan[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Morris[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Nigel[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Oliver[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Perry[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Quince[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Ross[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Stewart[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Turner[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Ulysses[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Victor[/name_m].
  • [name_m]William[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Xavier[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Yander[/name_m].
  • [name_m]Zeus[/name_m].

[name_m]Classic[/name_m] and nicknameable and simple.

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Tell him that as he’s having (a third?) child ‘out of wedlock’ he’s clearly not a ‘traditional man’, so tradition is irrelevant in this case and the baby will be having your surname. End of discussion. He doesn’t get to pick and choose the societal norms he wants to adhere to.

Another thing to consider is that having a different surname to your child can make day to day things, and especially travel, tricker as a single parent. If you’re going to be the resident parent, it makes practical sense for your son to have your name.

If I were you, I might consider giving the baby two middles and letting him pick one, just for the sake of your co-parenting relationship.

Ideally you can come to a compromise for the first name, but if he’s being obstructive calmly call him out so that the tone is set early. It’s crucial he knows you won’t stand for being bullied. He claims he knows someone for every single obscure name you suggest? Ask him to show you his connection to them on social media, old school yearbook, etc.

Good luck!

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Not a single mom but I say give him your name. Especially, if you will be the primary caregiver it’s easier if the child shares your name. There’s a weird thing where men want kids to “carry on their name” in theory but don’t actually have an interest in doing the work of childrearing and it sounds like you may have gotten one of those. In the same vein, I think you should just choose the name, if he wanted to participate in good faith with naming this child he could, and he’s not (ETA: I like the other suggestions of providing him a shortlist, that way he’s involved but it doesn’t devolve to him just rejecting things).

To be fair your naming style is not mine but saying he knows them all and rejecting them out of hand? That seems sus. These are some names similar to yours (even though it’s not my style)

Sullivan
Madison
Willoughby
Emerson
Beckett
Barnett
Banks
Wells
Whitaker
Gardner
Frasier
Monroe
Beaumont
Meritt
Callahan
Delaney
Meyer
Parker
Forester
Aston
Griffin
Grahan
Grant
Watson
Collins
Miller
Prescott
Murray

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I’ve actually considered doing a double middle name and even suggested it to him, but got nowhere. For context, all of his other kids have the middle name “Rush.” He is so obsessed with in my opinion labeling his kids with himself that his daughter has his exact initials and he actually insisted on having induced his birthday instead of choosing another day that week so she could have her own day. They are both with the same initials born on the same date.

I didn’t know any of this when I got pregnant. We only dated for a few months. Because I hadn’t had a cycle in years, I genuinely didn’t think I could have children, so this baby is a total miracle to me and I’m so overjoyed, I have even told him I am so thankful for the gift he’s given me. I don’t know his family well, but from what I’ve been told, they think I’m after his money—which is ironic because he doesn’t have any and I pay for everything. [name_m]Even[/name_m] paid him for services done around the house to prep for the baby since he’s quite handy but refuses to get a job. His grandpa Ed recently passed away, and I found out that in the few times we met, Ed told people I shouldn’t be trusted. Now, I’m being demanded I give our son Ed’s full legal name.

I flat-out refused, but he has made me feel like even being excited about this pregnancy is taboo. He tells me things like, “Pregnancy isn’t a reason to be tired, you’re just using it as an excuse to be lazy,” and “I’ve already been through this twice, it’s not exciting to me anymore.” Yet in the same breath, he tries to control me by saying, “That’s my son in your belly, you can’t hang out with your friends because I don’t like them.”

I wanted to honor my half-siblings, who have been my absolute rock in life, by blending their names—Ember (E for my brother [name_m]Evan[/name_m], and mber for my sister Amber). I even compromised and offered “Ember Rush” as a double middle name, but he shot it down. He actually told me, “I won’t sign the birth certificate if you don’t give him the name I want.”

I am just so emotionally drained from fighting and physically exhausted from being pregnant in my late 30s. I’m heartbroken because my worst nightmare was giving my child a father who would use them as a pawn, someone like my own father (I only wanted to use my own last name to honor my grandfather who I cherished so much).

Sorry for oversharing again. I don’t really have anyone to talk to about this.

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He sounds like an ass hat and if I were you, I would say your only compromise will be making Ed the middle name because why would you name your child after someone who never liked you? That’s psychotic of him to even ask. And you can do a double-barrelled last name. That way your name is still being carried on, if he can’t accept that because it hurts his tiny ego, then screw him. He has two other children carrying on his name.

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Please don’t apologise for over sharing, and I’m sorry you’re going through this.

Check the legalities where you live, but quite honestly you might be better off if he isn’t on the birth certificate. I’d recommend researching what the father’s rights are in either scenario (on Vs not on the birth certificate), and make an informed decision based on his pattern of behaviour. If he’s likely to use your child to browbeat and control you, and you’re going to be doing the bulk of the parenting and bill paying anyway, then potentially minimising his legal say over your son’s upbringing might be in your best interests. This doesn’t stop you from attempting to coparent and taking his wishes into account, but it could give you final authority on decision making that you may be grateful for in future.

He will still be able to go to the courts and be granted paternity rights, but he’ll need to actually make an effort to do so. The ball will be in his court. Whatever you decide, I suggest keeping your cards close to your chest until it’s time to register the birth, and saving any messages you get from him that relate to the pregnancy, baby or any conflict you have in case you need them.

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TBH you might be better off if he doesn’t sign the BC. It would mean you wouldn’t have access to child support, but based on everything you are saying this is very classic immature self centered controlling man behavior that is unlikely to change. I would suggest doing as others have suggested and protecting yourself and your rights- then if he’s willing to do his part he can coparent and be in his kids life, you’re not keeping him from his kid, but you aren’t stuck having to compromise with an unreasonable person about important parts of your kids life (naming is hard enough, then there’s vaccines, school choice, etc). I am not a parent but I am a therapist to predominantly men and this is a very hard pattern to break and you cannot do it for them.

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