Little black dress names!

On my thread about [name]Jane[/name], [name]Io[/name] reminded me of YouCan’tCallItIt’s fabulous poston “little black dress” names. Her list is as follows.

[name]Alice[/name]
[name]Anna[/name]
[name]Anne[/name]
[name]Claire[/name]
[name]Eve[/name]
[name]Grace[/name]
[name]Jane[/name]
[name]Kate[/name]
[name]Laura[/name]
[name]Rose[/name]
[name]Sophie[/name]

I’m not sure if I agree that all the names on this list are little black dresses. [name]Laura[/name], [name]Sophie[/name], and [name]Grace[/name] in particular jump out at me as not quite belonging. This is probably because [name]Laura[/name] and [name]Grace[/name] seem dated, and [name]Sophie[/name] not only has a very uneven history of use and has skyrocketed to popularity, but also seems distinctly, well, frilly.

So what IS a little black dress name? I would say it’s chic, versatile, and never truly goes out of style. Thinking about my post on [name]Jane[/name], I’d also add that a little black dress name is pure: [name]Jane[/name] is the original form of [name]Jean[/name] and [name]Joan[/name], which, while they would otherwise fit the criteria, I wouldn’t include because they’re elaborations.

This definition (which is certainly up for debate!) begs a number of questions, of course. Can a rare or new name be a little black dress? [name]Calla[/name], for instance, is a nature name that’s virtually unheard of, but its stripped-down, simple sound makes it surprisingly adaptable: [name]Calla[/name] could be a teacher, an undertaker, a judge or a surfer. [name]Seren[/name] seems to hit that same sweet spot: sleek, chic, and adaptable. Then again, [name]Calla[/name] and [name]Seren[/name] are both very recent and unusual to the American ear. Does that necessarily mean they aren’t little black dress names?

What about longer names? [name]Catherine[/name] and [name]Margaret[/name] certainly seem to have claims to little black dress status. Again, there’s that adaptability – it’s hard to pigeonhole [name]Catherine[/name] and [name]Margaret[/name] as being a certain kind of girl (or woman). [name]Both[/name] have been in steady use for hundreds of years. On that note, how about [name]Elizabeth[/name]? With four syllables she’s hardly slight, but [name]Elizabeth[/name] is perhaps the last word in versatility. She can be a [name]Betsy[/name] or a [name]Beth[/name], a [name]Libby[/name] or a [name]Liz[/name]. Or would [name]Eliza[/name] qualify but [name]Elizabeth[/name] not? Why?

If [name]Catherine[/name] and [name]Margaret[/name] and [name]Elizabeth[/name] have a claim, how about [name]Frances[/name] and [name]Agnes[/name]? Sure, they’ve fallen off the charts, but they’re also simple, pure, and arguably quite versatile, not to mention both have an extremely long history of use. Their datedness would probably be a strike against them. But then again, ten years ago [name]Alice[/name] was sipping tea in the nursing home with [name]Bertha[/name] and [name]Gertrude[/name]. Or does falling off the charts lose a name its little black dress status?

What about [name]Mary[/name]? Or are the religious connotations too strong? (As someone of Jewish descent, I would never use [name]Mary[/name].) And hey, why isn’t [name]Sara[/name] on this list?

It’s worth mentioning that this list is also very Eurocentric. In the Hispanic community [name]Juana[/name], [name]Maria[/name], and [name]Elena[/name] have been around as long as [name]Jane[/name], [name]Kate[/name], and [name]Ellen[/name] (another little black dress contender!). For any cultural heritage you could name, there are names that would definitely have little black dress status. What are your favorites from YOUR heritage? Are there names that have long been popular in other cultures that you would love to use yourself? And do little black dress names survive translation?

Talk to me about little black dress names, Berries! [name]Do[/name] you agree with this list? If not, why not? What additions or deletions would you propose? What are YOUR favorite LBD(N)s?

I would take off Laura. It’s dated. An LBD name should be at least mostly timeless.

Sophie and Rose can stay, I think. Agnes I would not add. Elegant to our ears, but to most it’s aged, even clunky. A nana name. Like Frances, it’s still too hipster. Calla is still too new.

Mary I am tempted to add. Then again I’m Catholic. Ha! But I’d leave it off, because it comes with a built-in image. Mary is a good girl.

I would definitely add Elizabeth and Catherine, but not Margaret. She’s too… Margarety.

Some possible additions:

Sarah - simple, classic, a tad innocent, cross-cultural. Sarah could be anyone.
Victoria - also a classic. Slightly longer but ultra-versatile and elegant.
Marie - she’s more than a French Mary. She’s crossed the pond but retains some of her understated continental chicness. Def an LBD as a first name; but like Grace, Rose, and Anne, she’s filler as a middle, and no more French or diminutive at this point than Sophie.
Elise - everything I said about Marie, but substitute Elizabeth for Mary. Pure elegance. Timeless.
Lena - a diminutive, yes. But it’s stood the test of time, it’s cross-cultural, it’s sleek, it’s elegant, it’s pronounceable, it’s versatile. I think it qualifies as an LBD.

So right now my list would look like this:

Alice
Anna
Anne
Claire
Eve
Grace
Jane
Kate
Rose
Sophie
Elizabeth
Catherine
Sarah
Victoria
Marie
Elise
Lena

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I agree with every one of these additions. Though I’m going back and forth between [name]Lena[/name] and [name]Ellen[/name]. [name]Lena[/name] seems fresh while [name]Ellen[/name] seems dated, but [name]Lena[/name] also has a touch of the exotic to her…an LBD with an embellished hem, perhaps? Still, I would say she qualifies.

[name]How[/name] about [name]Ruth[/name]? [name]Ruth[/name] is short, sweet, and sleek. The -th ending might not be on trend, but Ru is seen in popular [name]Ruby[/name] as well as Nameberry favorite [name]Rue[/name]. [name]Ruth[/name] has also had a long, strong history of use. Is she versatile enough to be an LBD?

Hmm…I wouldn’t add [name]Ruth[/name] for the same reason I wouldn’t add [name]Agnes[/name]. It’s still seen as a bit of a frumpy old lady name (and a bit hipster). I agree with missusaytch’s list, especially the inclusion of my name, [name]Sarah[/name]! Nice to know I’m a classic! :wink:

It seems like LBD names run the risk of being interpreted as frumpy – there seems to be a fine line between timeless and dated! On that note, what about [name]Ada[/name]? She’s definitely on trend, [name]Ava[/name]'s sophisticated older sister, but for me at least she seems a bit, well, old. Should she qualify as an LBD?

LBD:
Alice
Anna
Ava
Bella
Claire
Eliza
Emma
Jane
Kate
Mae
Mary
Sarah
Sophie

Core Classics:
Alice
Catherine/Katharine
Elizabeth
Victoria

Hipster/Dusty:
Ada
Agnes
Bertha
Dorothy
Gertrude
Martha
Ruth
Pearl
Wilhelmina

Newly trendy vintage:
Annabelle|(any -belle ending)
Cordelia
Eloise
Evelyn
Felicity
Hermione
Lydia
Minerva
Tessa

Recently trendy:
Amelia
Emma
Olivia
Penelope
Sophie

Virtue:
Grace
Honor
Prudence
Temperance
Verity

Floral:
Azealea
Carnation
Daffodil
Dahlia
Daisy
Fleur / Flora
Heather
Holly
Iris
Jasmine
Lavender
Lily
Lotus
Magnolia
Marigold
Pansy
Peony
Petunia
Poppy
Primrose
Rose
Rosemary
Tulip
Violet
Zinnia

Nature/Animals aside from Birds:
Doe
Fawn
Fern
Forest
Garland
Hazel
Jasmine
Juniper
Laurel
Ocean
River
Saffron
Sage
Skye
Tempest
Willow

Birds:
Alouette
Birdy
Dove
Finch
Jay
Lark
Linnet
Phoenix
Raven
Robin
Swan
Wren
Zippora

Month:
April
July
June
May

Seasons:
Autumn
Spring
Summer
Winter

Boy on Girls Names:
Addison
Adrian
Ashley
Ashton
Bailey
Cameron
Evan
Evelyn
Jameson
Jamie
Jordan
Kennedy
Kim
Leslie
Logan
Madison
Quinn
Reese
Ryan
Rylie
Skylar
Taylor
Vivian
Whitney

Dated Names/80s names:
Abigail
Barbara
Jennifer
Jessica
Lauren
Sharon

Biblical:
Naomi
Rachel
Tamara

Gems:
Amethyst
Emerald
Gemma
Jade
Jewel
Opal
Ruby
Sapphire
Topaz

Musical:
Aria
Harmony
Melody

Stars
Celeste
Selena
Star

& Mythology.

On [name]Ruth[/name], In the words of [name]Ross[/name] from Friends, “I’m sorry, are we having an 80 year old woman?” :slight_smile:

I’m pleased to see both that you made this thread and second, that my name made it. These names tend to be the names I love.

I would add [name]Elle[/name]. It’s not my favorite, it feels incomplete, but LBD I think it is.

[name]How[/name] about [name]Tess[/name]? I didn’t even know [name]Tess[/name] was considered such a core basic name until I joined here. [name]Lucy[/name] is an LBD but an LBD with a flouncier skirt than most, so I don’t think it makes it.

Also, [name]Christine[/name]. It’s longer and a little lighter than most of the names on the list, but it has some compelling arguments.

Loving this discussion. I’m on my phone so I can’t reply individually, but here’s a potential LBD some might find controversial.

[name]Eden[/name].

Yes, [name]Eden[/name] is a true 20th century baby, but her roots go deep and she has a surprisingly long history of use. Personally I don’t see her as dated, though others might disagree. Her meaning is undeniably strong, and while she shares elements of popular [name]Eva[/name] and [name]Aden[/name], she’s also got a timeless quality thanks to the eternal garden she references. [name]Eden[/name] could be a sister to [name]Andromeda[/name], but she could just as easily play with siblings [name]Jack[/name] and [name]Kaylee[/name]. [name]Eden[/name]'s religious and trendy associations may disqualify her from true versatility, however. Could [name]Eden[/name] be a senator? A surgeon? A lunch lady? I’m inclined to say yes. This is a strong choice. Does it qualify for LBD status?

[name]Love[/name] [name]Anna[/name], it’s nice to see I’m a classic.:rolleyes:

I agree on
[name]Kate[/name]
[name]Rose[/name]
[name]Grace[/name]
[name]Jane[/name]

I would add [name]Amelia[/name], she’s not my favorite, but timeless as always
[name]Helen[/name] too seems to always work

What an interesting thread!

Ha! I still think [name]Ruth[/name] has a claim to LBD status, but those old-lady connotations are hard to shake. Maybe give it another generation or two…

Congratulations on your LBDN! I usually like more flamboyant, nature-inspired names like [name]Juniper[/name], but I’ve fallen in love with the idea of an LBD paired with a more adventurous middle name. And I’d rather see a girl with an LBDN any day than another [name]Mckinzie[/name] or Mikaleigh.

I think I have the same issue with [name]Elle[/name] as an LBD as I do [name]Sophie[/name] – they both seem, well, French, and thus a little fancier than their streamlined counterparts. Still, in all other categories [name]Elle[/name] certainly qualifies: she is after all the distilled essence of femininity! I agree that she does seem a bit incomplete. I’ll give another shout-out to [name]Ellen[/name], which I think belongs on this list. And how about [name]Belle[/name]? Her meaning is certainly a little ornate, but her sound is straightforward and she has that musical connotation of a clear, simple bell.

[name]Tess[/name] definitely qualifies! [name]Lucy[/name] does seem, as you say, a bit flouncy; I also can’t imagine her on a grown woman. This might just be my sticking point, however – on every other level, [name]Lucy[/name] is definitely an LBD, and she wouldn’t be out of place in a sibset with [name]Anna[/name] or [name]Jane[/name].

Ohhh, I’d love to hear you make an argument for [name]Christine[/name]!

From this list I would count the following as potential LBDs:

[name]Alice[/name]
[name]Anna[/name]
[name]Bella[/name]
[name]Claire[/name]
[name]Eliza[/name]
[name]Emma[/name]
[name]Jane[/name]
[name]Kate[/name]
[name]Mae[/name]
[name]Sarah[/name]
[name]Alice[/name]
[name]Catherine[/name]/[name]Katharine[/name]
[name]Elizabeth[/name]
[name]Victoria[/name]
[name]Lily[/name]
[name]Hazel[/name] (maybe)
[name]April[/name]
[name]Quinn[/name] (surprising myself with this one!)
[name]Rachel[/name] (definitely - how had I not thought of her before?!)
[name]Celeste[/name]

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I agree with [name]Helen[/name] 100%, and even longer version [name]Helena[/name]. [name]Amelia[/name] seems a little too elaborate to be an LBD.

What about [name]Leah[/name]?

I would add [name]Emily[/name] and [name]Clara[/name]. [name]Both[/name] are core classics with a little “flounce.”

Why isn’t [name]Audrey[/name] listed?
Other names I consider “little black dress” are:
[name]Julia[/name]
[name]Caroline[/name]
[name]Charlotte[/name]
[name]Victoria[/name]
[name]Amelia[/name] and Amy
[name]Isabella[/name] and [name]Isabelle[/name]
[name]Helena[/name] and Lena
[name]Diana[/name]
[name]Celeste[/name]
[name]Celine[/name]
[name]Estelle[/name]
[name]Adele[/name]

More that came to mind:
[name]Lily[/name] and [name]Lillian[/name]
[name]Lauren[/name]
[name]Rebecca[/name]
[name]Emma[/name] and [name]Emily[/name]
[name]Madeline[/name]
[name]Meredith[/name]
[name]Justine[/name]
[name]Stephanie[/name]
[name]Michelle[/name]
[name]Melissa[/name]
[name]Melanie[/name]
[name]Nicole[/name]
[name]Olivia[/name]
[name]Amanda[/name]
[name]Allison[/name]
[name]Shannon[/name]
Mid century favorites and current Mom names really fit into this category. :slight_smile:

I definitely prefer [name]Clara[/name] to [name]Claire[/name]; she seems simpler, despite the extra syllable. I’m on the fence about [name]Emily[/name] as an LBD, however, particularly with [name]Emma[/name] already on the list. I can see [name]Emily[/name] as a cute little girl, but not a sophisticated businesswomen or a legal eagle or a brain surgeon, and the essence of the LBDN is, after all, versatility.

Hm, I’m not sure about most of these – they seem either too elaborate ([name]Madeline[/name], [name]Melissa[/name], [name]Stephanie[/name], [name]Justine[/name]) or too dated ([name]Shannon[/name], [name]Amanda[/name], [name]Allison[/name], [name]Melanie[/name], [name]Nicole[/name]). I agree with [name]Lily[/name], [name]Emma[/name], [name]Rebecca[/name], and possibly [name]Meredith[/name].

I agree with the list, but would get rid of [name]Claire[/name] and [name]Sophie[/name] which seem dated to the last 20 odd years. [name]Elizabeth[/name] and [name]Clara[/name] are definite adds!

Seeing as this is posted under [name]Baby[/name] Names and not Girl Names, how about boys? I don’t know if there is already a list but staple boy names [name]IMO[/name] are:

[name]John[/name], [name]David[/name], [name]Thomas[/name], [name]Henry[/name], [name]William[/name], [name]Jack[/name], [name]Daniel[/name], [name]Jonathan[/name], [name]Edward[/name], [name]Michael[/name], [name]Andrew[/name], [name]Robert[/name], [name]Simon[/name], [name]Matthew[/name], [name]Joseph[/name], [name]Peter[/name], [name]Mark[/name], [name]Harry[/name], [name]Charles[/name]

Any to add/take?

Excellent point! We’re way too girl-centric here on Nameberry. I guess boys would have [name]Little[/name] [name]Black[/name] Tie Names?

I love your list. I would only quibble with [name]Daniel[/name] and [name]Mark[/name], which seem very dated to me – and [name]Harry[/name], which is both very unusual in the US and unfortunately inextricably tied to Mr. [name]Potter[/name] (at least to my American ears) and therefore lacking that essential versatility.

I would add [name]Thomas[/name], [name]Jack[/name], [name]Walter[/name], [name]Andrew[/name] ([name]Elizabeth[/name]'s opposite number in terms of versatility - he can be [name]Andy[/name], [name]Anders[/name], [name]Andre[/name], and [name]Drew[/name]), [name]Leo[/name], [name]Benjamin[/name], and [name]Philip[/name].

Any other thoughts? What sibsets would you make with LBDNs and LBTNs? Personally my favorite would have to be [name]Jane[/name], [name]Simon[/name], [name]Alice[/name], and [name]Walter[/name].

Oh, and I think [name]Adele[/name] has LBD status as well.

Any other suggestions?