Stuck on Welsh-German name

Partner and I are at an impasse with the name for our second boy. We are a Welsh-German family living in [name_m]England[/name_m]. We speak Welsh and [name_m]German[/name_m] at home and it is very important to my partner that the names tie back to our cultures and are not “generic [name_f]English[/name_f] names”. I am on board with this but with the caveat that the names are pronounceable and otherwise “work” in all three languages. Our first born is [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] [name_m]Johann[/name_m]. [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] is pronounced [name_f]Reese[/name_f], [name_m]Johann[/name_m] is pronounced Yo-hann.

[name_m]The[/name_m] only other name we both love at the minute is the Welsh name [name_m]Macsen[/name_m], but my partner’s sister has expressed multiple times that this is her top pick for a boy (she does not have children yet but is planning to in the near future), and we don’t want to deal with backlash because we “stole” her name.

[name_m]Other[/name_m] Welsh names my partner likes are

[name_m]Caradog[/name_m], [name_m]Gruffudd[/name_m] (pronounced similarly to [name_m]Griffith[/name_m], but partner does not like the anglicised spelling) and [name_m]Llewelyn[/name_m]. I am vetoing [name_m]Caradog[/name_m] and [name_m]Gruffudd[/name_m] because I do not think they work in [name_m]German[/name_m] and I dislike the “car dog” and “gruff” associations. I objectively like [name_m]Llewelyn[/name_m] but am struggling to get on board because of pronunciation worries- [name_f]English[/name_f] speakers would say it similarly to [name_m]Lewis[/name_m], but the Welsh double L is pronounced by blowing air from around your tongue, sort of a soft “chl” sound. This is how we and the Welsh side of the family would pronounce the name, but it took me a while to master this sound when learning Welsh and I don’t expect [name_f]English[/name_f] or [name_m]German[/name_m] speakers to. Since the name is very awkward in [name_m]German[/name_m], my partner thinks he could go by [name_m]Leo[/name_m] around his [name_m]German[/name_m] side of the family. I like [name_m]Leo[/name_m], but I think it is too confusing if he goes by Llewelyn or Llew at home, “Lew”-elyn or “Lew” at school and [name_m]Leo[/name_m] in [name_f]Germany[/name_f]. I am also not a fan of contrived nicknames and would rather just name him [name_m]Leo[/name_m] at that point.

From other Welsh names we can’t seem to find any that we like or fit our criteria. We can’t use [name_m]Osian[/name_m] and [name_m]Ioan[/name_m], I don’t like names ending in -i (Dewi, [name_m]Rhodri[/name_m] etc), neither of us like names that are technically Welsh but now super common everywhere (Dylan, [name_m]Owen[/name_m] etc), and names like [name_f]Brynn[/name_f], [name_m]Glyn[/name_m], [name_m]Hywel[/name_m] are considering very outdated at the moment.

[name_m]The[/name_m] other option is a [name_m]German[/name_m] first name (we like [name_m]Anton[/name_m], [name_m]Otto[/name_m], [name_m]Emil[/name_m], [name_m]Nils[/name_m] and [name_m]Kjell[/name_m]) but the concern is it won’t go with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m].

Feeling like we have named ourselves into a corner here and sort of wishing this one was a girl because we had the girl name lined up (Seren).

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Honestly, I think something like [name_m]Otto[/name_m] or [name_m]Emil[/name_m] works really well with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m]! Yes, they are from different origins, but they both have a traditional-yet-fresh feeling, and are well-known but not overwhelmingly common in the UK. Plus I like the balance of them being the same length.

Something like [name_m]Otto[/name_m] [name_m]Llewelyn[/name_m] would sound really nice in my opinion, and give him both a Welsh and [name_m]German[/name_m] name like his brother, just in the opposite order. Plus it lets you use [name_m]Llewelyn[/name_m] without the everyday pronunciation issues for non-Welsh speakers.

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I 100% agree with EagleEyes! A [name_m]German[/name_m] name that’s in a similar short style would be a great match with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m], and seemingly the best option for you, since no Welsh name is perfectly working out!

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I was going to say just this! I wouldn’t be surprised to meet brothers [name_m]Otto[/name_m] and [name_m]Rhys[/name_m], [name_m]Emil[/name_m] and [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] and [name_m]Anton[/name_m] and [name_m]Rhys[/name_m].

[name_f]Love[/name_f] the idea of [name_m]Otto[/name_m] [name_m]Llewelyn[/name_m] too :slight_smile:

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I agree with the others: a short [name_m]German[/name_m] name plus [name_m]Llewellyn[/name_m] in second spot seems like a great option (and the pattern of Welsh-German followed by German-Welsh works really nicely).

Of your [name_m]German[/name_m] (slash Nordic?) names, I like [name_m]Anton[/name_m], [name_m]Emil[/name_m] and [name_m]Otto[/name_m] the best with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m]. I love the name [name_m]Nils[/name_m] but it’s visually too close to [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] for me. I think [name_m]Kjell[/name_m] will trip up too many people.

It’s a pity about [name_m]Macsen[/name_m] as I think this would go superbly with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] - and your partner’s sister may not have kids let alone a boy, but I agree that it’s not worth creating tension over. It’s really on her just to let you “have” the name and trust she’ll find another.

I don’t think [name_m]Llewellyn[/name_m] as a first needs to be struck off the list - I think though it’s likely to get a nickname anyway, most likely [name_m]Lewie[/name_m] - could [name_m]Lewie[/name_m] work in [name_m]German[/name_m]? If it’s too hard, it’s a great middle option!

I agree [name_m]Caradog[/name_m] and [name_m]Gruffudd[/name_m] will likely be burdens to have as a first name though they have deep cultural meaning.

Some other names you might like:

[name_m]Cai[/name_m]
[name_m]Dylan[/name_m]
[name_m]Cellan[/name_m]
[name_m]Gethin[/name_m]
[name_m]Aneirin[/name_m]
[name_m]Steffan[/name_m]
[name_m]Morgan[/name_m]
[name_m]Carwyn[/name_m]
[name_m]Taliesin[/name_m]
[name_m]Alwyn[/name_m]
[name_m]Ianto[/name_m]
[name_m]Iestyn[/name_m]

I love [name_m]Osian[/name_m] but note it’s not an option!

[name_m]Soren[/name_m] - given you like [name_f]Seren[/name_f], this could be a good option (and trust if you have a other child and it’s a girl, you’ll find another gem)
[name_m]Leon[/name_m]
[name_m]Axel[/name_m]
[name_m]Felix[/name_m]
[name_m]Matteo[/name_m]
[name_m]Oskar[/name_m]
[name_m]Hugo[/name_m]
[name_m]Wolf[/name_m]
[name_m]Leif[/name_m]
[name_m]Kai[/name_m]
[name_m]Max[/name_m]
[name_m]Magnus[/name_m] - this could be a good choice!
[name_m]Benedikt[/name_m]
[name_m]Sascha[/name_m]
[name_m]Conrad[/name_m] / [name_m]Konrad[/name_m] (I love this name!)
[name_m]Caspar[/name_m]
[name_m]Henning[/name_m]
[name_m]Hansel[/name_m]

[name_m]You[/name_m] needn’t go a really unusual Welsh or [name_m]German[/name_m] name - [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] while distinctly Welsh is also accessible.

[name_f]Hope[/name_f] this helps!

[name_m]Emrys[/name_m]
[name_m]Idris[/name_m]
[name_m]Emlyn[/name_m]
[name_m]Ivor[/name_m]
[name_m]Rhydian[/name_m]
[name_m]Wyn[/name_m]

Agree with the previous posters who suggested the [name_m]German[/name_m] first / Welsh middle combo of [name_m]Otto[/name_m] [name_m]Llewelyn[/name_m], which sounds great with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m] [name_m]Johann[/name_m]!

A few other Welsh firsts that you might like (not sure how they’ll work in German):
[name_m]Celyn[/name_m]
[name_m]Madoc[/name_m]
[name_m]Vaughn[/name_m]
[name_m]Illtyd[/name_m]
[name_m]Gwydion[/name_m]
[name_m]Elisedd[/name_m]

Some [name_m]German[/name_m] suggestions (though I’m loving [name_m]Otto[/name_m] & Emil!):
[name_m]Ivo[/name_m]
[name_m]Alaric[/name_m]
[name_m]Roland[/name_m]
[name_m]Kellen[/name_m]
[name_m]Oskar[/name_m]
[name_m]Anselm[/name_m]
[name_m]Klaus[/name_m]

[name_f]Hope[/name_f] this helped!

Thanks for the input! They feel of different worlds to me but that’s probably because I grew up in Germany and didn’t know anything about Welsh language or culture until I was an adult.

My partner is very passionate about Welsh language preservation and the kids get my German last name so we leaning more towards a Welsh first to balance it out :wink:

But incidentally partner has some German ancestry as well (great grandparents came to Wales from Germany because of WWII) so I think a German name would be special to both of us and is definitely an option we’re considering

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I think [name_m]Otto[/name_m] or [name_m]Kjell[/name_m] would go very well with [name_m]Rhys[/name_m]!