Unique spellings....ugh

Sorry, but I just need to vent. [name]Unique[/name] spellings drive me insane. Especially when they go so far that they make no sense phonetically.

So, please you like the sound of [name]Elizabeth[/name] so much but fear that it is “too common” either don’t name her [name]Elizabeth[/name], but if you do SPELL IT CORRECTLY!!! Spelling it Elysebeth to make her “stand out” it’ll just create problems for your child because [name]Elizabeth[/name] is the standard spelling. And your kid will still have a common name- the one difference is that she’ll need to spell it all the time.
I know a [name]Abigayle[/name] who changed the spelling of her name to [name]Abigail[/name] as soon as she turned 18. And I can see a lot of kids who have a common name that I spelt weirdly do the same thing.

I was watching this Supernanny video on youtube where twin were named [name]Kobi[/name] and [name]Kadin[/name] and commented saying that I wasn’t sure how to pronounce [name]Kadin[/name] until it was mentioned. A person responded tell me that I was just stupid because it “doesn’t take a genuis to pronounce [name]Kadin[/name]”.

I continued to argue with this person who says that he/she has a extremely uncommon name that I misspelt a lot- and he/she seems to think that having a misspelt common name is the same thing. In my book it just…isn’t.

Maybe I AM stupid when it comes to-unique spellings, but they just make no sense to me whatsoever. [name]Kadin[/name] looked more like a foreign name to me and I would have probably pronounced it as KAH-din or something. When a name is spelt ‘creatively’ I’m bound to either misspell it or mispronounce it, depending on wheater I’ve heard it first or saw it written out first.

Somebody on another board wanted to name her child [name]Mattison[/name], which would be pronounced “[name]Matt[/name]-ee-sin”, right? NO! It’s pronounced like [name]Madison[/name]. Sorry people, but you cannot substitute d with t, those letters don’t sound the name.

I am all for unisex names, but since when is substituting o with y phonetically possible? If you MUST name your daughter [name]Carson[/name], [name]Ashton[/name] or [name]Emerson[/name] spell it correctly and add a feminine middle name instead of spelling it [name]Carsyn[/name], [name]Ashtyn[/name] or [name]Emersyn[/name]. Maybe it’s just me, but while I can see [name]Emerson[/name] on a grown women it’s impossible for me to see a grown up [name]Emersyn[/name]. Those y names just don’t know for anyone over the age of ten. The only one I’ll let go is [name]Camryn[/name] since it is REALLY pronounced as “[name]CAM[/name]-ren”.

I met a little girl named [name]Carsin[/name] and her mum got all pissy when I pronounced it “CAR-sen” instead of “Car-sin” because that is “exactly how it is spelt” (her words!!). When did we start spelling names out phonetically? Okay granted, [name]Samuel[/name] is technically spelt out phonetically too, but that’s the standard spelling. But maybe it’ll be a new trend. I simply cannot wait to meet little children named Kloee, Maysun, Grayse and [name]Ayden[/name] (whoops, that is IS common already)

Okay I’m done now…I just had to let this out for some reason it just really frustrates me.

I wrote a blog on the topic, and thought you may like to read it or the comments: https://nameberry.com/blog/2009/12/14/yooneek-names-do-kre8iv-spellings-make-names-more-special/

Take care! :slight_smile:

hahaha that’s funny!
I worked for a family whose kids were all spelled out phonetically… I kid you not, the little girl’s name was Briyona instead of [name]Briana[/name] because they pronounced it [name]Bri[/name] [name]Yona[/name] emphasis on the Y like shes Yawning… THEN the little boy’s name was Ziear as in ZI and EAR
I have met many african americans who use this technique… find a word in the name and spell it just like the word!

I’m not totally against all unique spellings, but there are a couple issues that tend to confuse me as far as reasons for people doing so.

  1. Appearing to fashion a “foreign” variation from thin air. Wanted something exotic and unfamiliar, yet familiar. Either they don’t feel like taking a real French or Russian or [name]German[/name], etc., variant is within their rights if they aren’t French/Russian/[name]German[/name], and so invent an exotic looking variant from scribbling on a pad of paper until they find something that “looks cool,” looks a little classier than the “normal” American/English variant, or they aspire to seem more Euro than they are. Despite standardized education requirements, some people still don’t know the difference between your and you’re and ur, and so think names aren’t even real words - you have the liberty to just spell them any way you want to. I’m not sure they’re totally wrong, but they can be extremely wacky with their intentions. People with poor grasp of language origins are just playing with what they consider a malleable format, assuming there are no rules. Making up “Irish-sounding” names is also a popular hobby. Adding “Mc” to a name doesn’t make it at all Irish, but also, working over a biblical Hebrew name so it has elements of Gaelic in the re-spelling doesn’t make it Irish either. Better to find the official variant of the name in original Gaelic, if there is one.

  2. To head off a potential for mispronunciation. Please, this is the worst reason to misspell a name. First of all, a lot of people already vary their pronunciations due to their accent. It’s not the end of the world to correct someone when they say your name wrong, but it’s kind of a cut off your nose to spite your face to have that name in all the records spelled wrong forever. I have said this before, it is like painting the front of your house to tell your neighbors to turn down the stereo instead of going over to ask them nicely. You’ve made a mess of it permanent style instead of the occasional, “actually, it’s (name pronounced correctly),” and because it’s spelled in an unrecognizable way, people who would know how to pronounce it correctly will assume you varied it because it has a different pronunciation.

If you like a name in all other ways except you are afraid people will mispronounce it, even frequently, this is the worst reason to vary the spelling. Most people encounter this trouble from time to time, especially with their last names. Sure, it can get “old” to correct people, but you are shooting yourself in the foot with this rationale. Picking an easier name might be “too boring.” Well, the balance is spelling the hard name correctly, and a hard name to pronounce might even be an ice-breaker, whereas a misspelled one gives people an instant idea as to the person’s upbringing.

  1. [name]Rock[/name] starz. I think it used to be fashionable in a punk/urban way to rock out one’s boring suburban name, like [name]Susie[/name] or [name]Janet[/name], into such like [name]Siouxsie[/name] or Ja’nette. Well, there is not really that much spice in Suburbia, so stick to what you’re good at. If your child becomes a rock star, let them wield the pen when they get to it and market themselves in their own freaky way. Your child’s strange name does not make you a rock star either.

Good reasons to vary the spelling (with caution):

A. To incorporate someone else’s name into a longer name - if your mother’s name is [name]Mary[/name] and your mother-in-law is [name]Lynn[/name], you can name your daughter [name]Marilyn[/name], or you can spell it [name]Marylynn[/name]. That doesn’t bother me if you feel like it makes it more of an honor to be specific and true to the spelling of the names. [name]Mary[/name]-[name]Lynn[/name] is also cute, and people will get it. If you and your partner want to use parts of your names to create a new name, make sure it’s not a total disaster. It’s easy to fall in love with a creation such as one name made of parts of each, I think sometimes this is successful, but you have to be objective and throw the idea out if it’s not coming together. People might think it’s “weird,” you have to get past that. Sometimes people who love you are really more objective than you and aren’t trying to hurt your feelings, and are trying to point out what an awkward name you’ve produced. Nicely.

B. An authentic foreign variation of a popular name - a lot of people in the world are totally unaware that some variations of a name are from somewhere else. They think you’re just being difficult, they don’t recognize the name. Made-up faux foreign variants kind of mess it up for this category.

C. To anglicize a foreign name with no established English variant. This is how names come to have different variations in different languages and cultures. We have certain rules in English (which sometimes get broken), but I don’t think there is a crime if you want to take out extraneous letters and syllables or change a C to a K or a G to a J if the English result calls for it. Very commonly in English, a C followed by an I or E will sound like an S, followed by an A, O, or U will sound like a K, and G has the same hard/soft “rules”. IN sounds like INN to us, so if it’s supposed to be -een, go ahead and try it with an -een. Take off the silent E if you don’t want the inner vowel to be pronounced long. It’s not always necessary, but if you are coming in with a name like C”EMGEIN, there is a reason we spell that [name]KEVIN[/name]. You will not win any points for a Gaelic variant of a name that’s just not cool anymore. Another popular example is [name]Cillian[/name]/[name]Killian[/name]. I would just spell it with a K, and I think that’s why a lot of people do. Authenticity can sometimes be confusing in English, and the English-language variant is evolved and established as also correct. You can do this too. Go ahead, anglicize the name!

D. Literary license - a few months ago, someone was asking how to best spell [name]Layla[/name]. This is an Arabic name from a completely different alphabet, so it is phonetic the way it is spelled. [name]Even[/name] some people consider ‘[name]Leila[/name]’ to be the proper way, the spelling ‘[name]Layla[/name]’ “looks too trendy” and must obviously be someone’s idea of simplifying or modernizing the established ‘[name]Leila[/name]’. According to Behind the Names, [name]Lord[/name] [name]Byron[/name] introduced the spelling of [name]Leila[/name] in 1813, hence it seems “established” but not for very long. If something like “creative spellings” seems like a modern idea, it’s obviously not.
19th century - Meaning, origin and history of the name Leila - Behind the Name
7th century - Meaning, origin and history of the name Layla - Behind the Name
That’s 1200 years, people.

Some people can handle the task, like an author or linguist, but obviously the masses can sometimes really foul it up. I don’t think there’s a lot wrong with a mild tweaking in some way to make a name look prettier and fancier and more poetic if you desire to do so.

I’m not sure why you’d say the I as a long E. I certainly wouldn’t guess the D for T, though I believe those letters sound similar in some accents.

Because, generally, any vowel before a final N isn’t stressed and is said as a schwa.

I, too, seem to have a problem getting unique spellings.

I was recently in a situation where I was reading out a list of names and had to pronounce “Kamerinne.”

It turns out that “Kamerinne” is said exactly the same way as [name]Cameron[/name]. [name]How[/name] on earth would I have guessed that? She didn’t seem to mind a bit that I’d slaughtered the pronunciation (though she did correct me)–she just kind of shrugged and gave me this look like she has to deal with the same sort of thing ALL the time.

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I’m not sure why you’d say the I as a long E. I certainly wouldn’t guess the D for T, though I believe those letters sound similar in some accents.

Because, generally, any vowel before a final N isn’t stressed and is said as a schwa.[/quote]

I totally suck at spelling things out phonetically lol. But I’d definitely pronounce t as t and NOT d. So I’d probably Mattisin or something. Maybe I AM a bit slow when it comes to so called creative spellings.

I get your point about the y’s but something like having [name]Carson[/name] spelt out as [name]Carsin[/name] just totally throws me off. Plus, the y’s make the names look so childish and don’t get how a y makes a masculine name more feminine, it’s still pronounced the same!

i totally understand.
for the same pronunciation but unique spelling.
one mispronounces and one has to correct.
when it comes to a time to fill a paper by someone else, you always have to spell it out letter by letter clearly.
when it comes to be the first day of class, you have to make a name confirmation to your teacher.
people love unique names, but there are things frustating.

but i don’t know. i grew up in china, where people’s name, or the meaning you may say, is not by the way you pronounce, but by the way you write it. becuase in there are way too many homophones in chinese characters. you can have easy-recognized characters to make up your name, but when it comes to the time where you need someone else to record your name, you have to tell which character you mean.

the same, i live in new york where there are alot foreigners and immigrants, so name corrections and spelling happen ALOT. lol~
sometimes you can’t even pronounce a name because you don’t know how to…

but think this way,
people just love to do that to show uniqueness otherwise all we do to names is to find one from “standard” name list, then it’s bored to hear, well in this case, see certain names over and over again. for example, [name]Kevin[/name], [name]David[/name]…

I disagree. [name]Addison[/name], Addysynne, Attison, [name]Adyson[/name], Adisyn etc. all SOUND THE SAME. If people want to show their uniqueness they should use names that aren’t common like [name]Magnolia[/name], [name]Avalon[/name], [name]Cecily[/name] etc. THAT is unique! But spelling a trendy name weirdly? No…

Because it removes the -son ending, which stills bothers many people when they see it on girls.

In English, -yn is now generally accepted as a feminine ending, and once-male names with it ([name]Evelyn[/name]) have gone completely to the girls.

Although I do not condone the spelling [name]Mattison[/name], it does follow American English phonetic rules to be pronounced the same as [name]Madison[/name]/[name]Maddison[/name]. Commonly, when /d/ or /t/ is placed between two vowels, it is not pronounced like a “t” or a “d.” The sound most American speakers would produce is somewhere in the middle, called a flap or tap because your tongue quickly taps the ridge behind your teeth. You may not notice this, but if you are an American speaker, you most likely pronounce the words “matter” and “madder” exactly the same! This is just like [name]Mattison[/name] vs [name]Madison[/name].

I actually have a friend named [name]Matt[/name] who adores the name [name]Maddie[/name], but hates that he can never use it because it sounds the same as another [name]Matthew[/name] nickname, [name]Mattie[/name].

Thanks [name]Danielle[/name]! You put my thoughts into words exactly. You must have taken phonetics courses too- are you an SLP? I love this whole line of posts. Kry8ive spellings drive me insane, particularly since I work at a school and see so many of them. Reminds me of a book my husband just bought me, titled “I judge you when you use poor grammar.” The title of this post ought to be, “I judge you when you intentionally spell your child’s name wrong.” Seriously, I met a woman who was telling me about her child named Huntr. She said she liked [name]Hunter[/name] but thought it was fun to leave out the letter e. Fun? It’s not fun or cute, and I’ll be willing to bet that her kid is going to be one more of this generation who has no concept of English spelling rules because his own name doesn’t even follow them. Wonder why my middle school students’ spelling is abysmal? Their parents have thrown spelling conventions out the window- that’s why! I agree that if you want a unique name, then choose a unique name, don’t just spell a common name incorrectly.

Sprout—[name]Hunter[/name] without the e? Seriously!?

Wow… (By the way, I just looked up that book, and it looks really cute!)

Take care! :slight_smile:

Thanks [name]Jill[/name]. Yes, [name]Hunter[/name] without the e, cross my heart. The book is funny, yes, but more of a ‘pick it up in the bookstore and flip through for a laugh’ than a book I’d recommend actually buying. I think that the best part is the title. Once you’ve groaned at a dozen or so examples of the mistakes, there’s not much else to do with it. Plus, a lot of the examples seemed to be from foreign countries, and I put grammatical and spelling errors of native english speakers into an entirely different category from errors of non-native english speakers. Speaking as an American, I don’t think Americans have any room to judge the English skills of the rest of the world, since we have such low rates of bilingualism. I know bits and pieces of several languages, but I’m certainly not proficient, so if someone else is even attempting a second language as complicated as English, kudos to them.

I know someone who is named [name]Kameron[/name]…which doesn’t really bother me too much since the “C” and “K” sounds are so similar. However, what does bother me is the fact that it’s not pronounced as it looks…it’s actually pronounced kam-[name]RON[/name], with the emphasis being on the second part of the name. So it’s almost like a double-negative (which in this case does NOT make a positive [name]IMO[/name])…not only is his name spelled differently than the traditional spelling, but it’s pronounced differently too! Poor guy…He’ll spend his whole life having to spell AND pronounce his name…

I have a common and misspelled name and I can tell you, it’s been more trouble than anything. Although [name]Nichole[/name] isn’t crazy-unique, the non-traditional spelling didn’t stop me from being [name]Nichole[/name] W. in third grade (the other girl was [name]Nicole[/name] F.), and when there was a [name]Nicole[/name] W(same last name) in my highschool, my unique spelling didn’t stop us from having our report cards and schedules mixed up. I’ve had to reapply for documents, reorder credit cards, etc. because my name is misspelled. Annoying.

I’ve also found that some people can actually be very rude about my misspelled name, too. Some don’t care to spell names in any other way than they first see it spelled, even if corrected. One lady actually asked me if my mother had me very young because “she couldn’t spell [name]Nicole[/name] right.” Seriously.

See, it didn’t bother my parents because they dealt with it occasionally for 18 years. I have to deal with it for a life time. Thanks, mom! Ugh.

I have issues with this too! A friend of mine decided to name her baby [name]Khloe[/name] b/c [name]Chloe[/name] is too popular rolling eyes and my other friend named her baby Mattalin b/c [name]Madeline[/name] was too popular. Seems ridiculous to me!

If the-son ending bothers them I feel like people should just use a different name instead of spelling a -son name with y. There are so many names out there. To each their own but that is my opinion.

danielle8933: I am English so I really pronounce t as t. Matter and Madder don’t sound the same when I say them. I did hear Americans speak and now that you point it out I have to admit that you’re right. I guess the woman who wanted to name her kid [name]Mattison[/name] was American though so it does make sense where she lives, but not where I like. Here [name]Mattison[/name] would be pronounced with a t sound as in [name]Matt[/name]. I am not really that accustomed to American pronunciation though, so to me as a English person [name]Mattison[/name] pronounced [name]Madison[/name] seems odd.

My neice is Mattilyn, after her uncle -my dh- [name]Matthew[/name] (it’s a stretch in my opinion, but a nice sentiment). She goes almost exclusively by [name]Matti[/name], and sometimes just [name]Matt[/name]. We’re in the US, and we mostly pronounce it with the “t” sound (I think).