Cultural Appropriation + Names

A great article on culturally appropriated baby names:

I will always agree that cultures have been shared since the concept even began and cultures have been influenced and have evolved over time, exactly as I stated above. Most of us have multiple cultures in our family trees, and that is awesome.

Just because this is true, it doesn’t mean you should take and use whatever you want from a culture you have no connection to. And this whole “well one person’s view isn’t the same as another’s” doesn’t work for this context. If you check into discussions and articles on linguistics and onomastics, you will find that the vast majority of people from a certain culture, religion, or group of people absolutely agree on which few names are completely off limits to those outside the culture, which names would get a few eyebrow raises but are otherwise shrugged off, and which names are perfectly fine for anyone to use who wants to use them.

Sorry if that came off wrong, I meant that I’m not disagreeing with you here, so not addressing you personally with what I wrote :slight_smile:

Oh yes, I was meaning anyone collectively, and on a large scale, such as have been discussed to death…and yet people still think it’s okay to use them. [name_f]My[/name_f] apologies, I should have been more clear.

I think that’s where we talked past each other a little; I assumed you were talking about these names that “would get a few eyebrow raises but are otherwise shrugged off, and which names are perfectly fine for anyone to use who wants to use them”, while apparently, you were talking about names that are “completely off limits” to most people within a culture.

Yes, off-limits names, as in the examples I stated in my posts.

And I would totally agree with you there. I think I would make my argument for the “eyebrow-raising” names, which, if your local community has strong negative feelings towards them, I would say you should reconsider your choice but that these opinions may not be universally held and should not immediately be deemed appropriation when they may be seen as appreciation elsewhere, where the opinion of the local community is positive one.

Thank you for this really interesting conversations, these topics can be very emotional, so it’s always nice to have a conversation that is civil.

I appreciate people being willing to discuss, and please accept my apology if I ever got too harsh. This topic can be emotional, and absolutely is for me, because it has been talked about for years, and yet, you still have questions like “is it okay to use Dixie?” or “is this cultural appropriation?” I mean, I’m glad people are asking the questions, but I just want to scream sometimes and tell them to do the quickest search and read all that’s been said about it already. I try to have patience, but names are just one of the myriad of ways in which people are disrespectful and prejudice against others, and it’s such a simple, easy one to be more aware of and change for the better.

Anyway, for anyone who is interested, there was a pretty serendipitous episode of John Oliver about Black hair and how it’s been culturally appropriated and used against people. It’s very relevant to this convo, and educational to watch, especially all the way to the end: Hair: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - YouTube

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i have a lot of thoughts on this — and i do share them every time a cultural appropriation discussion pops up. i’m going to try to make this the abridged version — a lot of my personal thoughts have already been covered!

in considering intentionality, it’s not the intent of using a name that matters— it’s the impact. i love dakota. i think it sounds beautiful. i would never use it because i have no native heritage and the genocide of native americans by colonists and continued mistreatment of natives by the us gov gives names like dakota, cheyenne, etc. a depth that maybe we don’t intend to evoke— but do. history & culture don’t take a spot on the shelf when we don’t want to think about the implications of our actions. dakota, nonetheless, is a popular name. we must ask ourselves, should it be?

specifically when borrowing names from marginalized or oppressed cultures, it’s our ethical & just duty to critically examine why we want to use them. is it because we think they’re exotic and enjoy the allure that comes with exoticism? do we admire the culture? have we taken the time to understand the culture? how do we want others to perceive our usage of this name? do we just like this name and have little to no interest in understanding the parent culture on a level beyond xyz? is this name a sacred name? who wears this name? names inexplicably become the label on our identity— so in choosing one that may harm someone else or further oppresss our neighbors — it really requires Big Thought.

the fact of the matter is, white people and the frame of white privilege and the institutions that uphold whiteness as the norm/standard inherently oppress POC and marginalized cultures & people. we cannot separate ourselves from this, just work to stop perpetuating harm. marginalized & “ethnic” names have been disparaged for eons in contrast to whiteness. so to borrow a specifically “ethnic” name from a culture than is not your own can carry unwanted baggage for you, a child, a child’s environment. intent vs. impact.

does this mean people can never use names that are not apart of their culture? of course not. but you should be mindful in choosing— and respectful of the owners of the culture’s POV. rule of thumb is to avoid sacred names—if you’re iffy, it’s best to admire without adopting. learn something new about the culture. be respectful.

i am icked out by “melting pot” of culture in the US because we are not a melting pot. many americans do have strong cultural ties. and sure, many do not. in my own experience, my parents are first gen. both sets of my grandparents raised my parents without strong ties to their cultures because, when they arrived, it was not a very good time to be any of them. using cultural names, for many who are kind of unmoored, to feel connected to a culture (assuming their own ancestral one but i mean). i do think that’s valid— but that also requires a hearty attempt at self & social education and the same applies!

cultural appropriation is a huuuuuuuge deal. we can’t trivialize it — because then we are just complicit in perpetuating racism.

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Yep, you said it! I wish I could heart your whole response five thousand times.

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Most of the world is becoming a melting pot of cultures and in a nation of immigrants it’s bound to be. That doesn’t mean people are not part of their own individual cultures but that they want to share their cultures with others (by opening restaurants, for example). Some people do not want to share their culture, and that is okay, but, talking about names, just because somebody else used a name doesn’t mean you can’t use or have a special connection to it. Especially as names are given out of love, not as a way to make fun of another culture. That being said, I absolutely agree about this statement:

But we also need to recognize that cultural appropriation isn’t universal and that something that may not bode well with African-Americans may be totally fine for European-Africans or Africans.

melting pots assume that we boil everyone in one pot and we all assume a cohesive identify. what’s mine is not necessarily ours— and to assume so is a mark of privilege. if one has never fought for the preservation of ones own culture, then they have no place to say what they’re entitled to that is not their own. appreciate, learn, respect— but you can’t stake claim.

everyone will have a varying emotional connection to something— a name, sure. we’re talking like big consensus. you can’t please everyone but that doesn’t mean you disregard others’ pov altogether. if one near person says it’s hurtful, then it’s off limits. we can’t just conquest across and say “sorry it hurts you but people who live in x place would be fine with it.”

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exactly!!!

i have thoughts but I cannot put them into words right now but lumos hit the point exactly

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ooh wait also I really hope this wasn’t your intention @OpheliaFlora but this:

implies that people of a minority culture (in this case, African Americans) aren’t “African enough” for their viewpoint to matter in this sort of conversation. Obviously translate discussions within the context of your own location but don’t discount minority groups opinions when doing so.

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Then we have a slightly different idea of melting pots and I apologise if you thought I meant for everyone’s cultural identity to get lost and I didn’t make my definition clear enough.

exactly! That’s what I was getting at in my previous answers! It’s really important to look at your local community and consider their POV. On the internet, that sometimes gets lost, though and we all need to be aware of the non-universality of certain things even if thousands of miles are covered in a few seconds via the web :slight_smile:

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cultural diffusion is natural, but there are lines that should not be crossed. and while naturally it’s impossible to entertain every single person’s opinion, it is important to recognize just what decision you are making in choosing to give your child that name, just as it is important to recognize how it will not only impact your child, but others as well.

i think curiosity and intentionality are critical words in this conversation. we should be curious about the names we are choosing and seek out information on them, from the internet or from others. and we should be intentional in choosing names, but we should recognize and forgive those who chose with a lack of intentionality - ignorance is not always a choice. it certainly can be, but this is why we have these conversations.

if we encourage respectful, intentional choices, we ultimately encourage even those who end up choosing names from outside of their culture to reflect on why (not necessarily positive or negative) - this isn’t just an issue of cultural appropriation, it’s a discussion that’s conducive to thoughtfulness in general.

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As someone who is not well informed on how people from the given culture would react, I always try to err on the side of caution. I don’t think most people would mind, but the association alone is enough to make me find an alternative.

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No, that’s not what I’m saying. I think there are some things that are very unique to African-American culture and there are some things that are part of African culture. All I’m saying is that African opinions on the things that are part of African cultures do not matter less. Somethings that one (sub-)community may want to keep to themselves, another (sub-)community might want to export/share.
Again, it always depends on where you are.