Worried our son's name may end our marriage

My son is now 7 weeks old. Before we even began TTC my husband and I had agreed on the name Thomas Pierce if it was a boy. We did not know the gender until birth. We had agreed on this name because my husband is a 7th generation Thomas and asked that we keep the tradition alive and noted that it really meant a lot to him to have his first born son carry his name. I understood where he was coming from, but that is the only reason I agreed to the first name of Thomas. I knew it meant a lot to my husband. However, I agreed under the condition a son would be called by his middle name since my husband, his father and our BIL are all named Thomas and there is already confusion on who is Thomas versus Tommy versus Tom and I didn’t want to confuse a little boy even more. Yes, his sister married a Thomas too… I also really want my son to feel like his own person and independent from the 3 other Thomas’ in the family, not like he is just one of 4. Additionally, I do not get along with my FIL at all so it’s already a bit difficult to stomach that my son carries his name as well. He exhibits behavior that I would never ever want my son to display so knowing my son is named after him literally makes my stomach turn sometimes. I just remind myself it is my husband’s name too and he is named after him not my FIL. Sadly, my husband wouldn’t even consider using my father’s name, Derek, as the baby’s middle name, so it is rather frustrating that I am expected to extend that respect and option to him but not receive it in return.

We communicated to everyone in advance that a son would be named Thomas Pierce and called Pierce. My husband stood by my side during many of those conversations and never once disagreed or came to me afterwards saying he wanted to discuss a different option. I was very particular about a middle name knowing it was what we would call our son. My husband agreed to Pierce and said he loved it. When our son was born we announced him to the world as Thomas “Pierce”. Out of nowhere, during our 2nd day at the hospital, my husband begins insisting we call the baby Thomas and not Pierce. My gut has always told me he had a conversation with his father when he stepped out to go home and feed our dog that day and he then had the pressure from his father to call the baby Thomas. I just dont know what else would make him suddenly flip flop like this. His father had already voiced to us that he didn’t agree with him not being called Thomas when we first told him the name while I was pregnant. When we filled out the paperwork at the hospital this became a giant argument. My husband completely denied that he was ever willing to call the baby by a middle name and gaslighted me. He even went as far to tell family that he never agreed to it and say I am manipulative, controlling, hormonal, etc. and insisted they call him Thomas. I eventually began receiving texts from his sisters, female cousins and aunts asking me for my feelings on it which really just felt like passive aggressive pressure from them and not genuine concern for my feelings. Getting bombarded like that when I am 3 days post-partum and arguing with my husband was just way too much so I began blocking them which has now led to big blow ups with each of them as they realize I’ve removed them from my FB, FamilyAlbum photo sharing app etc. I had named a photo album “Pierce” and his father immediately called him saying “She changed it to say Pierce!” and my husband snapped so I changed it to say “Thomas Pierce”. None of them can possible acknowledge I need space and am hurt. Instead they are calling me toxic and unstable. It was clear my husband wanted to control the narrative on our son and his name and I didn’t want to be involved with those 3rd parties. The message eventually got to his father that I was voicing how betrayed I felt to family and he began telling my husband I was a crazy person, being vindictive and he should consider divorce.

I was hesitant to put Pierce as a middle name at the hospital because I was afraid this argument would continue and I would end up never being able to use the name Pierce for a potential second son. Also, if we were set on not calling the baby Pierce I would have preferred to have his middle name be a family name on my side so it at least had some meaning and my family traditions were represented. Every first born male on my side is named James (called Jay, Jamie and Jim) and I sacrificed that for my husband to have Thomas. I told my husband I would be willing to change the name and sacrifice the name I love, Pierce, if we named him Thomas James and called him TJ but my husband refused on the TJ saying no only Thomas. I ended up sobbing in the shower at the hospital for a good 20 minutes, and have cried every single day since. I left the hospital just feeling hurt, depleted, confused, betrayed, etc and it completely took away the excitement of bringing my baby home.

I insisted we speak with a couples therapist to work through this because it became so volatile. We are making no progress and we continue to argue about it almost daily. Family members are confused and my family and friends have begun to just make up nicknames for him like “TP” (yes, like toilet paper!!) and even random things like Little Tuck. My husband’s family is just calling him Thomas Pierce which I say is way too much for a tiny little boy. My husband and FIL are still insistent on it being just Thomas. I have always just called my son “the baby” because of this whole ordeal. My husband snaps if he hears me saying Pierce. I liked TJ so that he does not fall into the confusion of the Thomas, Tom or Tommy. It is already unclear who in the family is Tom versus Tommy. They all want to be Tom and I imagine my son will grow up to want the same.

I am still so upset about all this and it is literally destroying my marriage and now my relationships with his family. My family would never even dream of inserting their opinion on the matter, let alone pressuring me, insisting on calling by a certain name, or texting my husband and pressuring him. It is so upsetting that my husband just jumps in on the bandwagon with them and never ever defends me noting he sees where I am coming from and why I would be upset. Not only that it is stealing so much joy away from our relationships with the baby. We literally cannot be around the baby together without it becoming an issue because my husband will say things like “Yes, you are such a good little Thomas” and I get upset. It is stealing joy from not only me and my husband, but our family as well. Babies are meant to be celebrated and enjoyed, not for everyone who comes into contact with him to feel confusion and fear over what exactly to call him. My guilt is just becoming so unbearable. I have contemplated just giving in to my husbands wishes and calling him Thomas but then I begin to question the betrayal and where else my hand will be forced during the raising of our child and again begin to think of wanting him to feel like his own person. When I ask my husband why he is insistent on calling him Thomas and why the legal first name of Thomas is not enough he tells me it is emasculating and that he never agreed to Pierce. That is it… To me, that is making the name of our child all about his ego with no concern for the child’s well-being or to allow our son to have a sense of being unique. I am sorry, I do not feel that being one of 4 Thomas’ makes you feel like a special individual, but that is just my two cents.

Any suggestions on how we can come to an agreement? I feel like rather than building a bridge we are just both retreating further and further away into our own camps. I feel ridiculous changing his name at this point when we have so many things monogrammed with Pierce on it and things like monthly update photos with Thomas Pierce. I know my son’s lifelong name means way more than a photo or a blanket but I kind of worry my son will see those later in life and know we had this huge disagreement over his name. Ultimately I still want him to be called Pierce but would see TJ as a middle ground. I feel like I have already been more than accommodating.

Am I being crazy here? Am I being too stubborn?

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This has nothing to do with his name really. The problem is that your husband and his father are deeply entrenched in toxic masculinity. It’s “emasculating” to differentiate his son’s name from his own in any way? Total BS!

There is nothing you can do with the name to please him but submit to his will with no compromise. [name_f]My[/name_f] only advice is don’t have another kid with him unless he does a lot of counseling.

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That’s so sad. I feel bad for you. You’re the mother you carried him for nine months. It’s hard to share our babies with the world specially with all the opinions and judgements.
It was nice of you to agree on naming him [name_m]Thomas[/name_m] as it is. I feel like you are the ONLY one trying to compromise in this situation. [name_f]My[/name_f] SO is a jr. and I wouldn’t consider the name [name_u]Timothy[/name_u].
I’m also petty so my answer would be change his name to [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] [name_m]Derrick[/name_m] [name_u]James[/name_u] lol
Call him DJ [name_m]Pierce[/name_m].

Stick to your guns and don’t let them shame you into calling your baby what You feel is his name. You call him [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] and if your husband wants to call him [name_m]Thomas[/name_m] , see what he grows up to responding too more.
The first year of my sons life I called him bubba. He wasn’t confused that it wasn’t his real name. I think your son will love whatever you call him.

Don’t let them get to you and try to act like it doesn’t bother you what they call him. And then maybe they will relize it’s not a big deal what you want to call him. (Even tho it is because you are the mother )

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Hear me out, if you don’t get along with your partner leave them. He kind of sounds like an asshole anyway. You obviously aren’t happy with them. I regret staying with mine for as long as I did. They always say they’ll change but they don’t. There will always be someone better out there and you deserve to be happy and live a good life with your kiddo without him being around that negative energy. There will always be someone better out there I promise you. [name_m]Feel[/name_m] free to dm me if you need someone to talk too.

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This is bizarre to say the least. Your husband should listen to you and respect your feelings. His responsibility is to you and your son not his father. If things aren’t getting better you may need to get away from him and his family to maintain your own sanity.

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Should I be completely honest? I don’t think the issue is his name here… the issue is your husband’s controlling behaviour.

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First and foremost, you are neither crazy nor stubborn. Your husband agreed to [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] and has changed his mind, but he cannot be making unilateral decisions for YOUR child. If his behaviour seems unusual for him, it may be possible that having a child has had an impact on his mental health, so it may be wise to try and get him to see a doctor. If completely disregarding your feelings, boundaries, and well being is normal for him, then he is not someone I would want to have in my child’s life. Either way, if you bend to him now, it probably wont be the last time. I would really consider getting yourself and [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] to a safe place, because I’m not convinced any place with him is safe. Good luck.

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Firstly this sucks and I’m so sorry that this special time is being tainted.

I completely agree with @NINANO this has nothing to do with your sons name and everything to do with your husband & FIL trying to assert a authority over you. This whole situation stinks of toxic masculinity it’s horrible. Your son having a name that is differentiates himself from the endless Thomas’ isn’t emasculating that’s just rubbish what your husband finds emasculating is you not doing what he & his FIL want you to do. I would demand he compromises or do a trial separation it’s extreme but I think he needs extreme!

Good luck and don’t stay in this situation if it doesn’t improve you don’t want your son being influenced by toxic masculinity it’s not pretty.

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I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. I agree with everyone else that this is a classic case of toxic masculinity. You have just as much right when it comes to naming your children and calling them what you want as he does.

It’s really not healthy to have so much antagonism and stress after pregnancy, and the baby can pick up on it too. I’d put your foot down and say that your husband can call him what he likes, but you will be calling him [name_m]Pierce[/name_m], like you agreed initially, and that’s that, at least until your son is old enough and can choose what he wants to be called himself. If your husband doesn’t like it, tough cheese. If he can’t let it go, you might want to reconsider your relationship with him. And in the future, for any kind of big decision like this, I’d have him sign something in writing that says whatever you agree on, so if he changes his mind later, you have proof.

Best wishes and congratulations on the baby. I know you can overcome this and enjoy your new child.

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First and foremost, congratulations on welcoming your little one!

Like several others have already mentioned, it’s pretty clear the name is the least of the problems here.

The fact that you and your husband came to an agreement to begin with and then he gas-lighted you after the baby was born, saying he never agreed to the name, is a huge red flag. His insistence that any name for his child could emasculate him is toxic behavior. It is obvious that you have tried to be compromising throughout the chaos his family has initiated (let’s be honest, naming the baby Thomas was a big compromise for you in the first place). You obviously want to communicate with him through therapy, and offering different things to call your child instead of Thomas or Pierce.

It seems that your husband has adopted these behaviors from his family, and until he confronts them head-on, your efforts to “fix” the issue will do nothing except cause him to expect your submission in the future. You have already sacrificed enough, and you do not deserve to be gas-lighted by your spouse. I encourage you to think about your husband’s history in your relationship and decide whether this is really the first time he’s displayed these harmful behaviors. If not, then it would be good to consider whether or not staying in that relationship will provide a healthy environment for the baby to grow up in.

I wish you the best of luck and that you and your baby are safe and sound throughout this stressful situation!

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To be very blunt, your husband and FIL are both control freaks who have very little or no respect for you. They refuse to give a single inch. My advice is a trial separation or divorce.

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You’re in an abusive situation. Get out.

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Hey there. Sorry to hear about your situation.

You are not crazy.
You are not stubborn.
Your husband and his family are exhibiting toxic behavior.
This is gaslighting and controlling, manipulative behavior.
You are experiencing family violence. (Violence isn’t just physical)
This is mental and emotional abuse.
(You could even say cultural abuse as he won’t respect your family traditions.)
This is just the beginning.

As a family and domestic violence worker, my advice to you is to take your child and leave asap. Make a safe plan for leaving so neither of you gets harmed. Get set up somewhere you’re comfortable and have support. File for divorce. Take care of yourself so you can take care of your baby boy.

This is how it starts. If you stay it will only get worse. Not just for you but for your child too. Having a child grow up in such a horribly toxic, abusive environment is not okay.
You are clearly doing everything you can to make it work. It’s never going to be good enough in your husbands eyes, especially when his dad is always in his ear about everything. If you stay, you’re going to get bad anxiety, depression, loss of self, disassociation to help you zone out from the abuse, loss of self-worth and self-esteem, loss of confidence, helplessness, and if this continues or worsens you will have complex ptsd. Your child will also end up experiencing these things as he witnesses the way your husband treats you.

The behaviours your husband is displaying are NEVER okay.

You have so much healing to do and you won’t be able to do it while your husband is around and continually tearing you down.

Go visit your family with your child for a bit. Get them to help you find a safe way out.
I don’t want to hear about your story on the news. I don’t want you to be another statistic of family violence that ends in the worst way possible.
I want you and your child to be happy, healthy, and safe and live a long life.

I understand how hard it is to leave. It’s scary as hell but I can promise you, it is 1000% worth it when you finally do.

(I would remove [name_m]Thomas[/name_m] from your childs name completely. [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] [name_u]James[/name_u] or PJ is so much lovelier and has meaning to you without traumatising you like with the name Thomas.)

But in the end, this is your life and your son’s life and only you can make the right decisions for the two of you. You know your situation.

Message me if you would like further assistance for info on family and domestic violence or if you would like any numbers to call for your area to help with these issues. Some places do provide counselling.
(If you think your husband will be angry with you for reaching out to any support services, that is the biggest red flag, that’s when you know for sure you need to leave)

Please take care of yourself and do not hesitate to contact me or anyone else if you are struggling or just need to talk or vent. You have a whole community hear backing you up.

Stay safe :kissing_heart: :kissing_heart: :kissing_heart: :kissing_heart:

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I just wanna say that this is a bad, bad situation. I’m sorry that you have to go through this, especially after pregnancy. I think you should get help and support from your family and friends. Ask them to stand by you and defend you against his family. Pressure him if they must. You might not be able to compromise with him in a civilized manner. At least it will be so much better than forcing yourself to take his family’s blows with no one by your side.
And perhaps… perhaps you can try to get the women in his family to be on your side too. They might not be all bad. Communicate with them in a good way so that even if you can’t have their support, you can have their understanding.
Your husband is being dismissive of your opinions and feelings. He’s trying to take over your narrative. It’s not only his baby, it’s also yours. You get to have a say and for what’s worth I believe that you, as the mother gets to have the final say.
Coming from a conservative environment myself, I suspect your husband had probably been brought up in a way that the men are the heads of the family and think it is wrong for women to insert their opinions. His father’s disrespectful actions might feel natural and right to him.
Btw, I don’t understand why did your husband even want to deny that he initially agreed to call the baby ‘Pierce’ before changing his mind. Even more so when you had so many things monogrammed with Pierce on it. It just feels unreasonable and wrong.
I agree that with the pp’s suggestion for you and your family to call the baby Pierce and allow your husband to call him Thomas. Let the little boy decide for himself when he grows up. (Honestly, Pierce/James/Derek are so MUCH better than Thomas).
If the situation worsens, please don’t hesitate to leave.

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[name_m]Even[/name_m] when it gets so hard it feels like it’ll never be okay again, please remember that you are strong, beautiful, capable, and loved :heart: you got this Mama!

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First of all, I’m SO sorry that you’re going through this :heart: Second of all, your feelings are absolutely valid; you’re not “crazy” or “stubborn”! In fact, if I were in your shoes, I’d be feeling the same way. It makes me sick to my stomach thinking about the way your husband and his family has treated you for the past 7 weeks! You should have just as much (if not more) of a say in what he’s named. I know this probably isn’t the answer you want to hear but, from one married woman to another, you need to leave him & his toxic family behind. Stay with your own family for a while until things get figured out. Clearly, he needs time to reflect on his behavior & reevaluate his priorities.
If your husband or his family sends you any threatening or abusive texts, save them. A lawyer may need to reference these messages at a later date.

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Please put your foot down!
You toiled with the child for 9 months, sacrificing your body and then had to go through the absolute agony which is labor but aren’t expected to have a say in the naming of the child. Ridiculous.
Call him what you like.

Your husband’s behaviour is very concerning and like others have said I think he needs to be seen by a professional. He’s controlling, manipulative and irrational.

This sounds absolutely awful, I’m so sorry.

Call your baby whatever you want. Make sure you have a personal bank account separate from your husband, and or save money. Figure out a safe place you and [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] to stay, should you feel you need it. Please to talk to someone who knows you in real life who can understand what you’re going through and can be supportive in real time.
This is no way for a brand new, post-partum mother to be treated. Shame on your husband and his family. Congratulations on your precious little guy. [name_f]May[/name_f] he bring you endless joy and pride!

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Perhaps, and even if couples counselling is not on the table at the moment, you could talk to a therapist who can help you figure the situation out as it seems like the issue is not only the name but your partner’s behaviour in general (gaslighting, using his family against you,…). This of course leads to some very serious questions you have to ask yourself about your relationship.
As for the baby’s name, until you can figure your family situation out and to not make it worse, I would call him by an unrelated nickname, [name_u]Peanut[/name_u], [name_u]Puck[/name_u], [name_u]Beau[/name_u] (handsome in French), something that’s not any of his name but your own sweet name for him.
Once you end up with a clearer idea of what’s in your future, you can then change the name to something that you feel comfortable with.

If you end up figuring things out with your husband I would probably pick a completely new name and then go with something like [name_u]Finnegan[/name_u] [name_m]Thomas[/name_m] [name_m]Pierce[/name_m], [name_m]Matteo[/name_m] [name_u]James[/name_u] [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] or [name_m]Alexander[/name_m] [name_m]Thomas[/name_m] [name_u]James[/name_u], putting both honour names in the middle and not using them at all.

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Firstly, I am sorry you find yourself in this situation.

Secondly, put your foot down immediately and give this man a taste of his own medicine! I would march right down to wherever you need to go and change this child’s name to [name_m]Pierce[/name_m] [name_m]Thomas[/name_m] (or whatever you would like it to be) and tell him he and your FIL can name your children when they carry them for nine months and push them out of their assholes. If they even could, their heads are clearly so far up their asses they might not be able to. Insufferable.

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